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Should Latics have a youth development scheme or not ?


Should Latics have a youth development scheme team or not ?  

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  1. 1. Should Latics have a youth development scheme or not ?

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    • No, disband it
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The club is asking for fans opinions on whether the youth development scheme should continue or not, there is already a thread on OWTB for further discussion, so just a couple of options will do for this poll;

 

F.A.O Mods...Just noticed I put scheme team in the header, should be just scheme, can it be amended?.

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I'm genuinely unsure on this one. My initial reaction (and probably still my over-riding feeling) is that we absolutely must keep it.

 

But, when I look at the current crop of young lads and ask myself, "them or Baxter?"...

 

The article on the fishul is quite stark reading. The key bit for me is that it will cost £1m over 5 years to run. The article suggests we have to consider whether we'd receive that much in transfer fees and compensation over the same period for youth team players. Based on that alone I imagine we'd struggle to break even. But we have to also consider the non-financial benefit gained from having quality players in the side who've risen through the ranks e.g. Taylor and Eardley.

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Keep. 100% on this.

 

Posted on the other thread, but its a massive keep from me on this. Like Lags says, if its means a reduced 1st team budget; so be it. A club like us needs a youth system, and needs those youth prospects to progress to the 1st team.

 

Recent examples we all know - no Vernon, no Taylor, no D Hall, no C Hall, no Tierney, no Eardley, no Lomax, no Allessandra, no DBL, no P Black, no Trotman.......no Mellor, Millar, Winchester, Hughes, Sutherland.....all of these have featured and impacted to varying degrees in our 1st team.

 

It'd be a stupid decison to scrap IMO

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To be honest, Ryan Brooke looked like he would step up until the Preston keeper wiped him out.

 

Most youth players don't make it. Always been the way. Always will be the way.

 

But I'd guess Chris Taylor was paid a wage below the value of his talent. How much would we have had to pay in signing on fees and wages for similar if we hadn't had a youth set up?

 

I'm feeling more and more that this would be a false economy.

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To be honest, Ryan Brooke looked like he would step up until the Preston keeper wiped him out.

 

Most youth players don't make it. Always been the way. Always will be the way.

 

But I'd guess Chris Taylor was paid a wage below the value of his talent. How much would we have had to pay in signing on fees and wages for similar if we hadn't had a youth set up?

 

I'm feeling more and more that this would be a false economy.

 

That's correct at all levels..if you look through Manchester United's 'A' teams from years gone by you will find players you have never heard of, the vast majority finishing up in non league.

It's the odd gem that makes it all worthwhile.

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Voted yes keep it, my only worry is if we go all out ala crew, at some point we will face relegation and I believe we may end up in a position that we cannot breakaway from, lower crowds, lower budget etc

Also not keen on the new set-up in which the premiership can poach players for peanuts

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Voted no. Just thinking that if we do keep it, and it looks like if we did we would be one of the few that do, we will be getting peanuts for the players we are bringing through anyway. Any half decent player (such as the two from crewe) that are coming through the ranks can be snapped up for next to nothing without a second thought to the cost from the big boys. It would be al ong shot for a really talented player to make it through and stay in our team long enough for us to be able to command a decent wage.

 

It's a shame the Premier League/big boys have gotten greedier and have had to force the lower league clubs hands on this and it stinks imo. Be good if we had a strong FA to stand up to the Premier League.

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So the majority votes no in the "consultation" exercise so if the board are true to their word then they keep the youth setup and divert money from the 1st team as "it's what the fans want". Expenditure on the first team is therefore cut which could have devastating results but by putting this hobsons choice to the fans the poor strength of the first team can be explained away....

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keep it and be more selective and ruthless with players. too many Ryan Brookes have played for us and we need to spot talent early and build it up, rather than hope they do it themselves

That's easy to say but Chris Taylor was regarded by some as one of the worst youth players we had when he first joined but, whilst he's now playing in the Championship, most of his peers are probably in non-league, if they're still in the game at all.
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But he hasn't made it yet. Let's not add the pressure to a lad before his time.

 

True, but what if they scapped the scheme, he went elsewhere and was sold for £millions ?...fans would be in uproar.

Same goes for 16yo youth team centre back Tomos Clarke, who also looks a fine prospect.

There's some good kids coming through, musn't throw it all away now.

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I agree generally, and would much rather see a homegrown success, but the vast majority of the last 10-15 years' youth prospects have done bugger all.

 

That said, I'm not sure which way I'm arguing. I'd really rather have a successful team of homegrown youngsters. I just don't see it happening. Would I rather see us with Wellens in the Championship, or (a more successful) Mellor in League One? Tough call.

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I agree generally, and would much rather see a homegrown success, but the vast majority of the last 10-15 years' youth prospects have done bugger all.

 

That said, I'm not sure which way I'm arguing. I'd really rather have a successful team of homegrown youngsters. I just don't see it happening. Would I rather see us with Wellens in the Championship, or (a more successful) Mellor in League One? Tough call.

 

If Latics had accepted the reported Fulham offer for Mellor he would be at a Premiership club, probably Winchester too..

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I've had to vote No.

 

Any decent youth we got would be snapped up by the big boys for peanuts. Why should we pay to develop youth players to benefit the Premiership. Most of their youth players don't make it anyway, and drop down the leagues. Let them pay for youth development for our benefit.

 

If we kept the youth system, then we would have to play then whether they were good enough or not, like Crewe do, and would have to suffer relegations when there was no transfer money coming in. It's a huge gamble which would condemn us to lower league football for ever.

 

I would like all the people who have voted Yes, to really think of the possible consequences.

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I guess that it is a good idea to have one if it's good, and a bad one if it's rubbish.

 

Welcome back to Barry by the way, although:

 

my sniffers are unsure if it's trailing bad news or the more usual, "looks bad but turns out OK."

 

I think we could do with an official statement about whether Barry is well enough that it's fair to be rude about him in fact

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