opinions4u Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Meet the manager event 9th January 2014. Notes are paraphrased and not necessarily quotes. It was Lee Johnson's idea to hold the event and 3pm is his own time on a weekday! LJ and Barry present. Rooney - why's it not happened for him: excellent pro, works hard. Intelligent individual and player. He's been on the end of 11 crosses this season and scored from 4 of them. Not enough crosses is part of the problem. 3 of the 4 goals were Montaño crosses. Still a possible hangover from ongoing Swindon dispute. Responds well to crowd support. Does the right things off the pitch. All strikers, including Rooney and McDonald, have been "cosmic" in training this week. He's happy at the club. 9 clubs have enquired about him, many in Scotland. Tarky: Liverpool link isn't true. Sees him playing at a higher level, maybe top end Champioship. Still room to develop and improve marking, especially in the second phase of play. If we keep him in this window he will be offered a new contract. Where does he see us as a club: feels refereeing decisions have cost us 7-9 points and had the verified by the head of referees for the Football League. Likes the group of players we've got. Pins much of the recent poor run on injuries and suspensions. Believes we should be much closer to the top six than we are. Positive about the culture, systems, infrastructure, brand of football at the club. Believes we have half a dozen players who would attract a fee if sold. Feels we are very close to being an excellent team. The passing game is a mentality throughout the club. The philosophy won't change. Believes he knows his best 11 but hasn't been able to play them together! Trying to run the club on a Premiership basis with a conference (tongue in cheek) budget is hard work but the right way to go. Schmeltz: press comment (Sky?) was out of context and didn't represent what was said. Talented player but frustrated by his decision making on and off the pitch, slow signs of response to coaching and defensive concerns with 8 goals conceded attributed to him. Petrasso: Has done well after a slow start. Will go back to QPR on the 18th. Other clubs are interested. We want him back on loan. He was scouted by video. Transfer Window: more might come in. 7 missed calls on LJ's mobile in the first half hour. Squad is big so may need to move players out too. Feels experience will help (forgot to ask about Cliff). Harkins best in the number 10 role. Homegrown talent: While not overt, I thought he hinted at loan moves for Millar and Winchester. He wants these two and Mellor to grasp their opportunities. How long do you give them? Winchester is working on his upper body strength, but he gets regular positive reviews in scouting reports. LJ is a real fan of Mellor's footballing attributes. Feels that he needs more self belief and a settled position. Could be as a left back. Sutherland has something, but was released because we don't have space in the squad to give him opportunities. Dan Gardner: we were interested and looked at, Halifax wanted a fee. Offered Watmore a deal too. Fan contact is appreciated when it comes to scouting. LJ is aware of the local non-league scene and is in contact with local clubs. Corners: our goals / corner ratio is average. Goals conceded / corner is better than average. Statistically, teams are more likely to score with the second phase of player after a corner is cleared. We have 10 different corner routines. Joe Mills: wants him back and would prefer a permanent move. Anfield: proud to lead the team out there. And his dad's never done it. Described us as "a club that I love". While I don't doubt he's ambitious, this wasn't a statement he made for show, it was mid-sentence but very genuine. LJ loves our club. José Baxter Baby: wasn't impressed with the chant at Sheffield Utd. Didn't think it helped us after our game plan had worked perfectly. No regrets in selling him. A genius, but lacking in fitness and defensive qualities. Spot fixing allegations: demoralising. Stand: probably not ready for the start of the season but it is progressing. Money matters still not fully nailed down. Mainstand is not a certainty for closure / demolition and could be refurbished - at a cost. Wolves away (league): Played a 4-3-3 not a 4-6-0. But both wingers were :censored: that night. We were just poor. PlayerShare:seems to regret using it to sign Eddie but still positive about the player's prospects, despite the back injury. Would probably use the money for something like a star loan in future. Home form: feels there's a pressure to perform. We struggle against 4-5-1. Harkins might be the key. They do train 5 v 11 to break down defences. LJ contract: wants to take Latics forwards and gave us fulfil our potential. Barry quipped about a vote of confidence. The board are perfectly happy with the progress being made and the foresight going into the club. Didn't get to when a contract will be signed or how long for! Teams want to send their players to Latics on loan. We play the right way. We're not a feeder club but have a number of informal relationships with bigger teams. These bring scouting support into play from other club's resources. Wes and Grounds: prefers Grounds at centre back. Think Wes has enhanced his game. Wants to keep both at the end of the season. Both on good money. Snippets: suggested Brentford have a £10.5m wage bill. Feel free to correct any errors, views etc below and add any omissions. Edited January 9, 2014 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Excellent summary I would say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 re the Brentford wage bill. IIRC that would be about 10x ours. Is that about right? I recall this from LL and L&E visiting SC. Not sure how current it would be, but suspect more down than up in recent seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancy lad Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Thanks for the insight O4U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 re the Brentford wage bill.IIRC that would be about 10x ours. Is that about right?I recall this from LL and L&E visiting SC.Not sure how current it would be, but suspect more down than up in recent seasons. I think your figure for Latics will be close. I suspect LJ has doubled Brentford's! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I think your figure for Latics will be close. I suspect LJ has doubled Brentford's! Brentford will struggle to have that wage bill approved by FFP, Wolves on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Really enjoyable afternoon. Thanks again to all iinvolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
south east latic Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Thanks for the write up. The bit that got me was 8 goals conceded attributed to Sidney. When you consider his minutes on the pitch, that is quite something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 LJ now had the scouts to attend the games list taken down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Thanks for taking the time to write up. Some very interesting things there, such as how we tried to sign both Gardner and Whatmore - there must be plenty of others we go for too that we as fans never hear about. Also interesting was the Baxter chant thing. I wasn't that impressed with it at the time, wondering what players/management would feel about fans signing the song for an opposition player? Much like clapping Gerrard taking a corner in a way. It's a possible tiny negative thought in our players' heads that isn't needed. And it sounds like a lot of effort goes in to stats and stat analysis - by simply flagging up how many goals players are responsible for could lead to competition and extra desire to not be top of that list! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Thanks for taking the time to write up. Some very interesting things there, such as how we tried to sign both Gardner and Whatmore - there must be plenty of others we go for too that we as fans never hear about. Also interesting was the Baxter chant thing. I wasn't that impressed with it at the time, wondering what players/management would feel about fans signing the song for an opposition player? Much like clapping Gerrard taking a corner in a way. It's a possible tiny negative thought in our players' heads that isn't Baxter is unique though in that he was the best player we've had in years, his 16 goals kept us up & he signed a contract to make sure we got a fee when he really didn't need to. I'm surprised that LJ doesn't grasp that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Thanks for taking the time to write up. Some very interesting things there, such as how we tried to sign both Gardner and Whatmore - there must be plenty of others we go for too that we as fans never hear about. Also interesting was the Baxter chant thing. I wasn't that impressed with it at the time, wondering what players/management would feel about fans signing the song for an opposition player? Much like clapping Gerrard taking a corner in a way. It's a possible tiny negative thought in our players' heads that isn't needed. And it sounds like a lot of effort goes in to stats and stat analysis - by simply flagging up how many goals players are responsible for could lead to competition and extra desire to not be top of that list! The stats/analysis is a big thing and something that Barry said he would try have some in sight into it shown for the fans to see. The point LJ made re the Baxter chant was that our game plan had gone well, we had contained Sheff Utd and scored our goal on the counter. We continued to contain and counter attack draining their players belief. Baxter had been throwing his arms in the air at his fellow players in frustration and then the chanting his name puffed out his chest again. Edited January 9, 2014 by Lags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Baxter is unique though in that he was the best player we've had in years, his 16 goals kept us up & he signed a contract to make sure we got a fee when he really didn't need to. I'm surprised that LJ doesn't grasp that. Not that unique, he still left and plays for someone else. The amount of :censored: our fans give our own players and then sing the name of the opposition (ex player or not) it can't be the most helpful thing for maorale can it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disjointed Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 While there were about 4 of us taking notes, as far as I am concerned O4U that is a great summary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted January 9, 2014 Author Share Posted January 9, 2014 Baxter is unique though in that he was the best player we've had in years, his 16 goals kept us up & he signed a contract to make sure we got a fee when he really didn't need to. I'm surprised that LJ doesn't grasp that. He grasps the talent. He understands that Baxter had a wage well above others. He gets that wage could be used to bring in more players. He understands the transfer value. He can see the player's weaknesses. He can analyse the poor points per game stat that was recorded when Baxter played. He made a decision that get believed would be right for us. You can discuss the pros and cons of that decision, but I think it is unfair to suggest LJ didn't "grasp" what he had at his disposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Baxter is unique though in that he was the best player we've had in years, his 16 goals kept us up & he signed a contract to make sure we got a fee when he really didn't need to. I'm surprised that LJ doesn't grasp that. He said he had no issue if we'd sung at full time but it was, to paraphrase, counter productive to be puffing his chest out whilst the game was going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Home form: feels there's a pressure to perform. We struggle against 4-5-1. Harkins might be the key. They do train 5 v 11 to break down defences. Be less pressure if we didn't keep conceding soft and/or stupid goals. Less likely we'd have to face 4-5-1 for most of each game too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyPimp Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Baxter is unique though in that he was the best player we've had in years, his 16 goals kept us up & he signed a contract to make sure we got a fee when he really didn't need to. I'm surprised that LJ doesn't grasp that. Johnson mentioned Baxter without being prompted enough times to suggest he misses him. However, he explained that his points per game average was low, he was far from the fittest player at the club and the combined transfer fee / wages off the books were key to the move. I think the fact he's brought in Harkins tells the story as he's aware that we need a spotter on the pitch. He warned that players of Baxter's / Harkins' type aren't the fittest and can cost goals as well as create them. Clearly the intention is to use him when needed to unlock stubborn 4-5-1 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Not that unique, he still left and plays for someone else. The amount of :censored: our fans give our own players and then sing the name of the opposition (ex player or not) it can't be the most helpful thing for maorale can it? They're big boys, or they should be. I don't think he wanted to leave, did he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 He grasps the talent. He understands that Baxter had a wage well above others. He gets that wage could be used to bring in more players. He understands the transfer value. He can see the player's weaknesses. He can analyse the poor points per game stat that was recorded when Baxter played. He made a decision that get believed would be right for us. You can discuss the pros and cons of that decision, but I think it is unfair to suggest LJ didn't "grasp" what he had at his disposal. I'm glad I didn't then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 He said he had no issue if we'd sung at full time but it was, to paraphrase, counter productive to be puffing his chest out whilst the game was going on. Aah, that's different. Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) They're big boys, or they should be. I don't think he wanted to leave, did he? I don't know if he wanted to leave or not. I'm pretty sure if he really wanted to stay he would still be here. Big club, big wage and mate as the manager would have helped to make his mind up.Its his job at the end of the day. They should be big enough but I think the point LJ may have been trying to make was we are Oldham fans not Jose Baxter fans.Clap, chant his name all you want but maybe wait until the end of the game eh? When our team with our support may have got the job done instead of giving the oppositions best player an extra 10% more confidence and desire to do well Edited January 9, 2014 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Meet the manager event 9th January 2014. Notes are paraphrased and not necessarily quotes. It was Lee Johnson's idea to hold the event and 3pm is his own time on a weekday! LJ and Barry present. Rooney - why's it not happened for him: excellent pro, works hard. Intelligent individual and player. He's been on the end of 11 crosses this season and scored from 4 of them. Not enough crosses is part of the problem. 3 of the 4 goals were Montaño crosses. Still a possible hangover from ongoing Swindon dispute. Responds well to crowd support. Does the right things off the pitch. All strikers, including Rooney and McDonald, have been "cosmic" in training this week. He's happy at the club. 9 clubs have enquired about him, many in Scotland. Tarky: Liverpool link isn't true. Sees him playing at a higher level, maybe top end Champioship. Still room to develop and improve marking, especially in the second phase of play. If we keep him in this window he will be offered a new contract. Where does he see us as a club: feels refereeing decisions have cost us 7-9 points and had the verified by the head of referees for the Football League. Likes the group of players we've got. Pins much of the recent poor run on injuries and suspensions. Believes we should be much closer to the top six than we are. Positive about the culture, systems, infrastructure, brand of football at the club. Believes we have half a dozen players who would attract a fee if sold. Feels we are very close to being an excellent team. The passing game is a mentality throughout the club. The philosophy won't change. Believes he knows his best 11 but hasn't been able to play them together! Trying to run the club on a Premiership basis with a conference (tongue in cheek) budget is hard work but the right way to go. Schmeltz: press comment (Sky?) was out of context and didn't represent what was said. Talented player but frustrated by his decision making on and off the pitch, slow signs of response to coaching and defensive concerns with 8 goals conceded attributed to him. Petrasso: Has done well after a slow start. Will go back to QPR on the 18th. Other clubs are interested. We want him back on loan. He was scouted by video. Transfer Window: more might come in. 7 missed calls on LJ's mobile in the first half hour. Squad is big so may need to move players out too. Feels experience will help (forgot to ask about Cliff). Harkins best in the number 10 role. Homegrown talent: While not overt, I thought he hinted at loan moves for Millar and Winchester. He wants these two and Mellor to grasp their opportunities. How long do you give them? Winchester is working on his upper body strength, but he gets regular positive reviews in scouting reports. LJ is a real fan of Mellor's footballing attributes. Feels that he needs more self belief and a settled position. Could be as a left back. Sutherland has something, but was released because we don't have space in the squad to give him opportunities. Dan Gardner: we were interested and looked at, Halifax wanted a fee. Offered Watmore a deal too. Fan contact is appreciated when it comes to scouting. LJ is aware of the local non-league scene and is in contact with local clubs. Corners: our goals / corner ratio is average. Goals conceded / corner is better than average. Statistically, teams are more likely to score with the second phase of player after a corner is cleared. We have 10 different corner routines. Joe Mills: wants him back and would prefer a permanent move. Anfield: proud to lead the team out there. And his dad's never done it. Described us as "a club that I love". While I don't doubt he's ambitious, this wasn't a statement he made for show, it was mid-sentence but very genuine. LJ loves our club. José Baxter Baby: wasn't impressed with the chant at Sheffield Utd. Didn't think it helped us after our game plan had worked perfectly. No regrets in selling him. A genius, but lacking in fitness and defensive qualities. Spot fixing allegations: demoralising. Stand: probably not ready for the start of the season but it is progressing. Money matters still not fully nailed down. Mainstand is not a certainty for closure / demolition and could be refurbished - at a cost. Wolves away (league): Played a 4-3-3 not a 4-6-0. But both wingers were :censored: that night. We were just poor. PlayerShare:seems to regret using it to sign Eddie but still positive about the player's prospects, despite the back injury. Would probably use the money for something like a star loan in future. Home form: feels there's a pressure to perform. We struggle against 4-5-1. Harkins might be the key. They do train 5 v 11 to break down defences. LJ contract: wants to take Latics forwards and gave us fulfil our potential. Barry quipped about a vote of confidence. The board are perfectly happy with the progress being made and the foresight going into the club. Didn't get to when a contract will be signed or how long for! Teams want to send their players to Latics on loan. We play the right way. We're not a feeder club but have a number of informal relationships with bigger teams. These bring scouting support into play from other club's resources. Wes and Grounds: prefers Grounds at centre back. Think Wes has enhanced his game. Wants to keep both at the end of the season. Both on good money. Snippets: suggested Brentford have a £10.5m wage bill. Feel free to correct any errors, views etc below and add any omissions. If LJ is scouting by video I suggest he has a look at my post in the 1 or 2 coming in thread on Samed Yesil. Thanks for asking about Dan Gardner, Lee Gregory and Watmore, Edited January 9, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Is it just me who read the first bit and thought,"for :censored:'s sake get on the end of more crosses then?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I wouldn't have been arsed if it was sang after the game. I wouldn't have joined in but there's no harm in it. Clap him off the pitch too if subbed but no need to cheer him while the game is going on. What's that watmore doing now? I know Sunderland signed him for their academy but is he out on loan anywhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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