oafc0000 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 If someone nominated you, and you stood and won, you could make sure of that couldn't you ? Do you understand the process ? You have to become a trust director and then get the other trust directors to nominate you into the position of a Chair of the trust. At that point you will become the "fan on the board"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 If someone nominated you, and you stood and won, you could make sure of that couldn't you ? Could you govern the country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) Do you understand the process ? You have to become a trust director and then get the other trust directors to nominate you into the position of a Chair of the trust. At that point you will become the "fan on the board"... People who moan though don't wan't appear to want to go through the process. Edited April 10, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 People who moan though don't wan't appear to want to through the process. The process is a :censored:ing joke to be frank. The fans should directly vote for their representative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Could you govern the country? Not without going through the election process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Not without going through the election process. Answer the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 As far as I can see no one has suggested anyone who can do a better job. dont think anybody is disputing barrys job as a director its more the fact that he has stopped representing the fans and now represents the club, the fans dont have a voice and the roles in the trust are effectively jobs for the boys/girls were the most important requirement seems to be 'dont rock the boat' its been said before but the fact remains there is a conflict of interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 dont think anybody is disputing barrys job as a director its more the fact that he has stopped representing the fans and now represents the club, the fans dont have a voice and the roles in the trust are effectively jobs for the boys/girls were the most important requirement seems to be 'dont rock the boat' its been said before but the fact remains there is a conflict of interest. I don't know Barry, but it seems to me he is a man of integrity, the only failing I have pointed out has been the lack of communication, pointing out other clubs websites who do this better, hopefully that's been taken on board and fans will be better informed in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I don't know Barry, but it seems to me he is a man of integrity, the only failing I have pointed out has been the lack of communication, pointing out other clubs websites who do this better, hopefully that's been taken on board and fans will be better informed in the future. Sorry but it goes way beyond a lack of communication.... In my opinion the following is required... http://www.owtb.co.uk/index.php/topic/45027-trust-relaunch/?hl=%2Btrust+%2Brelaunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Sorry but it goes way beyond a lack of communication.... In my opinion the following is required... http://www.owtb.co.uk/index.php/topic/45027-trust-relaunch/?hl=%2Btrust+%2Brelaunch I assume you are now a member so you can change things from the inside and will be attending; Quote from Underdog;. Trust meeting on 14th April it's in two parts. 6.30pm-7.15 none trust members, 7.30pm onwards for members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I assume you are now a member so you can change things from the inside and will be attending; Quote from Underdog;. Trust meeting on 14th April it's in two parts. 6.30pm-7.15 none trust members, 7.30pm onwards for members. Your assumptions are very wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) To me what you are suggesting is similar to this situation.... I am a socialist and have a deep hatred for Tory mentality.... The concept that I join the Tory party to change it from within is frankly laughable if not impossible. The Trust needs to want to change with the rules the way they are. It would take all out civil war to change it without that want to change already coming from within the organisation. Edited April 10, 2014 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 To me what you are suggesting is similar to this situation.... I am a socialist and have a deep hatred for Tory mentality.... The concept that I join the Tory party to change it from within is frankly laughable if not impossible. The Trust needs to want to change with the rules the way they are. It would take all out civil war to change it without that want to change already coming from within the organisation. and this is where I am, its a closed shop and not fit for purpose just hope they dont come out with the begging bowl again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 10, 2014 Author Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) If someone nominated you, and you stood and won, you could make sure of that couldn't you ? Using your own logic here why have you not put yourself forward as the attacking midfielder we've so desperately been in need of? Edited April 10, 2014 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyblue Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Barry can't do right for doing wrong for some people. Would any of his critics specify: 1. What he does not do that he should? 2. What he does do that he shouldn't? 3. What difference it makes to the situation the club is in either way? 4. What difference it makes to the average fan either way? 5. What exactly is he supposed or expected to do? If the answer to 5 is "represent the fans' interests" what does that mean in practical terms? Unless there is a clear understanding of what he is supposed to do then levelling criticism of "self interested" "more for the board than the fans" etc. is meaningless. I genuinely do not have enough understanding of his role to make an objective judgement but instinctively I feel he comes in for a lot of unjustified stick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) Barry can't do right for doing wrong for some people. Largely an incorrect statement... and its not like people haven't tried engaging with him... http://www.owtb.co.uk/index.php/topic/45027-trust-relaunch/?hl=%2Btrust+%2Brelaunch Maybe that will answer some of your questions... if not try the search facility and catch up.... Edited April 10, 2014 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_ktf Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Ive said it a few times, in all but name Barry is and enjoys being a director. No problem there. Just tell us that. My issue is they both across as incredibly amature. Using interviews in all forms of media for petty points scoring, an telling the fans don't push us or else. . Simon's recent line of 'we're a league two club, in league one' was the final straw for me. WHY SAY THAT? But, but, Simon is a fan, he's get frustrated. Not arsed! Do you think he sounds off to business costumes like that? Er, no. He's got a responsibility to keep his counsel and use his board an inner sanctum to mouth off an vent. I don't want to listen anymore to negative :censored:e that constantly comes from the club itself. An Barry is just Simons mouthpiece, just in case you missed anything Simon said, Barry comes on to remind us all how lucky we are, with personal favourite of mine 'what the fans have got to realise' I'm not saying they don't do good work for club. They obviously have. But don't use interviews to put us in our place. People always say you do well when the whole club is going in the same direction, they seem determined sometimes to be devisive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 and this is where I am, its a closed shop and not fit for purpose just hope they dont come out with the begging bowl again. I don't think it will take a civil war to change things. The Trust are demonstrably trying to put in place a team to improve communications and engagement (see Rick Attwood's plea on another thread). Everyone agrees things need to change, but to do that you need people to put in time and effort. A decent up-to-date website can't happen without people. A genuine dialogue between the body of fans and the trust can't be conducted by Barry on one side and everyone else on the other. Similarly, there's an argument for direct election via a membership-wide franchise for fixed periods, but again, that needs serious thinking and work, and it's not something that Barry (or any one person) can do alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 The thing is I looked today and membership is only a fiver. But there isn't a cat in hell's chance I'm paying that given the lack of clarity as to what the Trust is and does. I said it earlier but Barry's interviews, as fan's representative, should come through the Trust. He should be feeding back to his members. Instead he communicates through the Fishal as a mouthpiece for the Board and/or Chairman. If the Trust got people onside it could be an important vehicle. That isn't happening. How many members do the Trust have? This has been asked before but nobody appears to have yet deigned to reply with a figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 As far as I can see no one has suggested anyone who can do a better job. He's not doing a very good Job, anyone who says he is, is either Barry himself or someone tossing his salad. How the re-election votes work, it's almost impossible to turf him out, and he knows it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 The thing is I looked today and membership is only a fiver. But there isn't a cat in hell's chance I'm paying that given the lack of clarity as to what the Trust is and does. I said it earlier but Barry's interviews, as fan's representative, should come through the Trust. He should be feeding back to his members. Instead he communicates through the Fishal as a mouthpiece for the Board and/or Chairman. If the Trust got people onside it could be an important vehicle. That isn't happening. How many members do the Trust have? This has been asked before but nobody appears to have yet deigned to reply with a figure. This for me, except I would add I'm not paying them any money, until they sort their election process out. Having the same people elect the fans representative does NOT work. Make ALL positions electable by ALL the trusts members and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 10, 2014 Author Share Posted April 10, 2014 Are us, the Trust and the club not all missing a trick here? If Barry was voted out as Fans Representative on the board SC would surely keep him on, especially if he would do it for no or little pay. And probably rightly so - I imagine, & hope, that despite the way he comes across he probably does do some valuable and important work behind the scenes and maybe even does it well. He must have gained a lot of experience over the years that's now vital to the club. The Trust elects a new fans rep, who attends board meetings & represents the fans, maybe putting a few hours in behind the scenes. A year or three, or five later someone else get's a go - or we re-elect the new person if he/she has done a good job. Everyone would be happy - wouldn't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Are us, the Trust and the club not all missing a trick here? If Barry was voted out as Fans Representative on the board SC would surely keep him on, especially if he would do it for no or little pay. And probably rightly so - I imagine, & hope, that despite the way he comes across he probably does do some valuable and important work behind the scenes and maybe even does it well. He must have gained a lot of experience over the years that's now vital to the club. The Trust elects a new fans rep, who attends board meetings & represents the fans, maybe putting a few hours in behind the scenes. A year or three, or five later someone else get's a go - or we re-elect the new person if he/she has done a good job. Everyone would be happy - wouldn't they? I was having similar thoughts the other day, and they started me thinking about an independent supporters association. And how it could have meetings with the club, say after six months or so when they couldn't ignore it any more. Then ad hoc regularly. Then somebody came in the canteen and started talking to me about work or sumat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddyblue Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Largely an incorrect statement... and its not like people haven't tried engaging with him... http://www.owtb.co.uk/index.php/topic/45027-trust-relaunch/?hl=%2Btrust+%2Brelaunch Maybe that will answer some of your questions... if not try the search facility and catch up.... well I have tried to "catch up". It does not answer the questions other than it is a potential vehicle for raising money. Whether it be the Trust or an independent supporters association when people are asked to put their money where their mouth is there will be a deafening silence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I asked on here and asked rick face to face, bearing in mind I'm thinking of joining;- How many members does the trust have and how have the numbers changed? How much did the trust raise last year? What plans do you have to change the constitution? I was told -we have, erm well, can't really say how many fans; I definitely can't be told how much was raised, and I can't be told how they are thinking of changing the constitution. So, essentially they want people to join without knowing what they "might" get (seen enough promises to know that they seldom see it through when it comes to fans) - it's abit like those dodgy market traders who show you a box with a PS4, iPhone and Blu-ray player and then ask you to bid on a similar sized box without seeing what's in it. I told rick that this sort of approach destroys momentum and puts an expectation of faith onto the fans that they simply have no right to expect. If i'm buying shares in a company (which this is akin to) I can get hold of annual reports with a wealth of detail on turnover, profits, trading expectations; I can check rivals and the market. Trust Oldham is like a back-room boiler shop - no answers in any quotable media and none face to face. And they wonder why no-one wants to help? I'm not buying on that basis. But I assume that makes me a "Cynic on OWTB" - thanks Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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