Diego_Sideburns Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 L J accepts responsibility for wrong pre-season training last time, as it was too intense. http://www.oldham-chronicle.co.uk/news-features/10/oldham-athletic-news/86504/latics-nine-lost-months-of-player-time I wonder if he's read this advice from the F.A.: http://www.thefa.com/getintofootball/players/preseasonwarning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamb Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I think one of the benefits of having a younger manager like LJ is that he is open to new techniques and coaching styles . he has already had the balls to admit his 1st season mistakes and learn from them . in his recent interview on player he talks about a local hotel providing accomodation for the players after lunch so that they can have a rest then do another coaching session later . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macca Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Did we have many injuries when John Harbin was in charge of fitness? That's probably the toughest training the players have had at this club. Paul Murray was out for while in pre-season but not sure about anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I am sure we appointed a physio a few years ago (from Port Vale or Walsall) who specifically mentioined the number of muscle tears and how he was going to reduce it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Fitness coaches go in the same bracket as personal trainers for me, money for old rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I am sure we appointed a physio a few years ago (from Port Vale or Walsall) who specifically mentioined the number of muscle tears and how he was going to reduce it. Yep. Sort of. http://www.oldhamathletic-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/latics_appoint_a_new_physiotherapist_389088/index.shtml Soft injuries are a personal insult Mark Czuzcman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I think one of the benefits of having a younger manager like LJ is that he is open to new techniques and coaching styles . he has already had the balls to admit his 1st season mistakes and learn from them . in his recent interview on player he talks about a local hotel providing accomodation for the players after lunch so that they can have a rest then do another coaching session later . Forget new techniques get them running up and down Tandle Hills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Fitness coaches go in the same bracket as personal trainers for me, money for old rope. England took a a plane load of money for old ropers to Brazil, its a fad that will change when people see through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Old school training worked well enough in Rocky 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Old school training worked well enough in Rocky 4 Who was it who said? "don't let them see a football in training, they will be hungry for it on the matchday" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsChris Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) England took a a plane load of money for old ropers to Brazil, its a fad that will change when people see through it. So we are to expect players to just become fit - to the level of professional sportsmen - of their own accord, without advice and coaching? Edited June 23, 2014 by LaticsChris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 So we are to expect players to just become fit - to the level of professional sportsmen - of their own accord, without advice and coaching? Just do what PT's do, copy and paste the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted June 23, 2014 Author Share Posted June 23, 2014 Fitness coaches go in the same bracket as personal trainers for me, money for old rope. JC-H has a personal trainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) So we are to expect players to just become fit - to the level of professional sportsmen - of their own accord, without advice and coaching? I personally know someone who scored over 200 goals in league football and never had any coaching or professional advice, he knew his own fitness levels and where the net was. Players shouldn't need an army of advisers, they need to to take more responsibility themselves. Edited June 23, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) JC-H has a personal trainer. He might run out for the first match in the shape of Rocky Balboa, that's ok though as long as he doesn't punch anyone. Edited June 23, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I personally know someone who scored over 200 goals in league football and never had any coaching or professional advice, he knew his own fitness levels and where the net was. Players shouldn't need an army of advisers, they need to to take more responsibility themselves. Andrea Pirlo smokes tabs. Doesn't mean Korey Smith should start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsChris Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I personally know someone who scored over 200 goals in league football and never had any coaching or professional advice, he knew his own fitness levels and where the net was. Players shouldn't need an army of advisers, they need to to take more responsibility themselves. Might I ask his age or era in which he played? The game's changed, it's constantly changing. Besides, it's not about knowing your own fitness levels. It's about trying to stretch the capabilities of limited players by making them as fit as possible, beyond their natural levels. It's all about those marginal gains Dave Brailsford is so fond of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I personally know someone who scored over 200 goals in league football and never had any coaching or professional advice, he knew his own fitness levels and where the net was. Players shouldn't need an army of advisers, they need to to take more responsibility themselves. Who? How recently was a he playing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simoncorneyisgod Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Who? How recently was a he playing? I guessing that he is now a tipster/horse trainer/radio presenter/after dinner speaker and definitely didn't train! Edited June 23, 2014 by Simoncorneyisgod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Who was it who said? "don't let them see a football in training, they will be hungry for it on the matchday" I thought those ideas started to die out when we got mullered by the Hungarians at Wembley in the 50's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrown23 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) To play at the top level these days you have to be an athlete, its not like 'the good old days.' Whether you have a specialist or not in the club providing fitness and nutrition advice, you probably don't need to if your manager or another coach knows it all. If he doesn't why wouldn't you have a professional in to do all that work for them? The idea that you can just copy and paste :censored: off the internet and apply it to anyone is laughable. People read something online and think they're an expert on the subject and, as such, feel they can dismiss what other people may have trained years to understand or do. There are a :censored: load of coaching sessions and fitness sessions online but if you don't know the underpinning physiological benefits or how to apply the session you'll struggle Edited June 23, 2014 by jbrown23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 There aren't nearly enough threads on this board over complicating Third Division football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I personally know someone who scored over 200 goals in league football and never had any coaching or professional advice, he knew his own fitness levels and where the net was. Players shouldn't need an army of advisers, they need to to take more responsibility themselves. Franny Lee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I wonder if top Olympic competitors figure it out for themselves? I bet they'd be :censored: if they tried Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 I remember when footballers worked nights in the mills, worked a 16 hour shift, ate bread & dripping butties for breakfast, lunch & tea, then walked 5 miles to the ground. Then Played 90mins they did. Had 10 fags, 3 pints of mild and several shots of whiskey at half time too. Never complained and never needed anyone to tell them how to look after themselves neither. Proper football. They can stick all these radical "new" methods - just need to get back to basics; pre game pints of brewers dark, Benson & Hedges before, during & after and a real days work 6 days a week. That'd learn em i tell thee... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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