b0ndl1ne Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 At the meet the manager, I asked about playing a different formation, LJ spouted some nonsense that in essence we were playing a 5-5-5 because of how adaptable the players were. I remember at the time thinking it was a cop-out of an answer. Although it seems a no-brainer to me, it doesn't mean I'm demanding LJ play this formation or anything like that BUT would genuinely just love to know if he has considered OR why he has dismissed the idea of a 3-5-2. A Brucie bonus as well from an OWTB point of view, it would solve all the major issues/concerns that the message board has raised thus far: *Our strongest players are our central defenders so get as many on the pitch at the same time as we can *It gives us natural width without using strikers out there *It enables us to play two strikers up front Rachubka Kusunga. Lockwood. Wilson B.Wilson/Brown. Mills Dieng/Kelly. Jones/Mellor DP/Winch/Dayton JCH. DP/Gros Anybody agree or disagree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share Posted July 21, 2014 I actually had the players in formation but when I've submitted the post it's put them all under each other but I'm sure you know what I mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsChris Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 My only concern would be that as it's not a particularly common formation players might be a little tactically naive when employed in it. Other than that concern I'd say give it a go. I'm a big fan of it in theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 LJ might try it, with 5 holding midfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 With the players we have & if Llera signs this contract we've offered then it could be a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShireBlue Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I have a 4-1-3-2 pretty much nailed on FIFA 13. I have Paul Pogba in defensive midfield, but Dieng is French and devensive, so it'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Heck C-Beck Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Disagree with your comment about LJ spouting nonsense, he was just hinting that we are probably playing a very fluid formation so it is nonsense to say we are 352 or 442 etc because it will change depending on the opposition and game. Personally I dont think the formation is the biggest worry, it is the style of play and personnel which will make or break the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 LJ said that when he came he would like the team to play 3 different formations. I would like to think going 3 at the back is one of them. However we mustn't try and pick how we are going to play now our strongest 11 may look very different now to what it will likely be on the 1st of September. Their will be more coming and goings between now and then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 LJ said that when he came he would like the team to play 3 different formations. I would like to think going 3 at the back is one of them. However we mustn't try and pick how we are going to play now our strongest 11 may look very different now to what it will likely be on the 1st of September. Their will be more coming and goings between now and then. More comings and goings between now and the 1st Sept? I should hope there will be; we're very short in some vital areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 And who would you include in the goings column? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 And who would you include in the goings column? A couple of trialists I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) And who would you include in the goings column? I dont agree with it, but he's said he'd looking to get Winchester out on loan; so if that is true; there's 1... Edited July 22, 2014 by slystallone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 I dont agree with it, but he's said he'd looking to get Winchester out on loan; so if that is true; there's 1... I hope not. He'd be in the team for me. He's such a lovely footballer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Devils advocate mode... As the 4-5-1 seems to be the formation of choice for a lot of teams these days, would 3 CBs leave us a bit overstaffed at the back if they've only got 1 striker to mark? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Devils advocate mode... As the 4-5-1 seems to be the formation of choice for a lot of teams these days, would 3 CBs leave us a bit overstaffed at the back if they've only got 1 striker to mark? 3 at the back gives you more licence to play out from defence... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Devils advocate mode... As the 4-5-1 seems to be the formation of choice for a lot of teams these days, would 3 CBs leave us a bit overstaffed at the back if they've only got 1 striker to mark?Exactly what I was going to say. It's a nice shape if you have someone like Tarky who can push into midfield if there's only one to watch at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 Devils advocate mode... As the 4-5-1 seems to be the formation of choice for a lot of teams these days, would 3 CBs leave us a bit overstaffed at the back if they've only got 1 striker to mark? If there's only 1 striker to mark then we can push even higher up the pitch and play the game in their half. You can James Wilson as last man as I can't see many strikers being able to outpace him in a chase for the ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 IMO, 3-5-2 just seems to be one of those formations that is only successful on Football Manager. I agree that on paper, a side like this: - Rachubka Kusunga - Wilson - Llera Brown - Jones - Dieng - Kelly - Mills JCH - Philliskirk looks decent enough, however there's a reason the formation is rarely used. Players just dont seem to like it. If you look at any team, you could make an argument for them employing a 3-5-2, but they choose not to, and it's not because they dont have the personnel to do so, merely 4-4-2 or any adaptation of 4-3-3 is much preferred. Even if we bring Llera in, there's nothing wrong with having 4 solid CB's in the squad. Lockwood-Wilson-Kusunga-Llera would enable to us to field a decent backline pretty much every game (short of an absolute injury crisis). I'd be happier if we could sign a right winger so we can put Dayton on the left wing and pair Philliskirk with JCH. Couple of strong or pacy options off the bench in Turner & Gros will always help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 For me it only really works when the other team play the same system, given our game is based on worrying more about the oppo are doing rather than imposing our own game on them then it's not one we are likely to see much of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 If there's only 1 striker to mark then we can push even higher up the pitch and play the game in their half. You can James Wilson as last man as I can't see many strikers being able to outpace him in a chase for the ball So you'd just end up playing centre backs in central midfield. We have enough midfielders for that as gets pointed out a lot! It seems right as a fit for the players we currently have, I'm just not sure it works in reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 I agree it's not commonly used but I don't think many teams, especially in our league would have ever found themselves with such a strong book of centre halves, both full backs who love to get forward and a lack of wingers in the squad. In the main, teams in this league seem to have only their main 2 centre halves plus adequate cover, 1 if not both full backs being out and out full backs and they all seem to have a decent winger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 The only way it doesn't work is if people don't do their job - maybe that's why it's not used so much - given we're dealing with players who are in this league for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) Could i just point out that 3-5-2 does not usually start with 3 centre halves! Wait until LJ signs a winger and DP plays as No 10. Edited July 22, 2014 by ChaddySmoker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 We, as fans, all have our preffered formations and tactics. So too does LJ. And right now, the general thoughts on here appears to be that the 2 differ? LJ appears to be going with the 4-5-1 formation. It can be tarted up as 4-1-3-1-1 ifthat floats your boat, but its not; its a 4-5-1. The arguement right now seems to be we have the players that suit that formation, and only that one. Its the one that was played in the majority of the 10 game season finishing run; and its the only one to be played in pre-season so far. Me? I favour anything that promotes a high pressing / high tempo game plan; with supporting runners joining the attacks, whilst keeping 4 at the back (im not a fan of 3 CBs, 2 wing backs) I liked Pochettino's Southampton tactics and formation - which didnt really move from the 4-2-3-1 set-up. I also liked the way both Chile and Algeria set up at the World Cup, again, they flitted between a 4-2-3-1 and a 4-3-3 depeding on the state of the game. IMO, we have the players here to set up & start the season in a 4-2-3-1; with hopefully some better quality players signed up before the window shuts to drop into the side when they (hopefully) arrive. Chubs B Wilson Llera (Kusunga). J Wilson. Mills Kelly. Dieng Winchester. Philliskirk. Jones JCH Room to drop Jones back in place of Dieng if / when we sign an attacking midfielder / winger....and room for JCH to drop out if /when a proven striker is signed. The likes of Lockwood, Brown, Mellor, Morgan-Smith, Gros, Turner, Bove et all provide the rest of the matchday squad and give options from the bench or for as / when injuries strike. Plus them space in the squad for any new arrivals who may arrive. That's what i'd play. That's what i'd look to bring in; with a high pressing game; and a high backline. Take the games to the opposition, especially at home, and start to stamp our mark right from the kickoff with a positive attacking mindset. Away from home, the 4-2-3-1 easily becomes LJ's favoured straight 4-5-1 formation by dropping back the advanced "3". We can then still play a high pressing game; but look to take some of last seasons 10-game run mentallity into that, and away from home; play a more counter-attacking game. I would hope pre-season would be used to trial various systems of play. It hasnt so far, in games anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0ndl1ne Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 Could i just point out that 3-5-2 does not usually start with 3 centre halves! Wait until LJ signs a winger and DP plays as No 10. It has whenever I've played in that formation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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