OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 There's lots wrong with private schools and what they stand for Is there? If you've got the money to pay for the better things in life there's nothing wrong with that, the entire population of the UK's children are entitled to free education and free healthcare.. If you want to go private your welcome to do so it's your money paying for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) There's lots wrong with private schools and what they stand forAs a parent, my experience of private schools is nothing but positive. The child comes first. It's the state system that has lost its way despite the best efforts of many teachers. What does the state system stand for? Achieving average. That's appalling. Well done to those self motivated children who get beyond average within that system. I have three kids. Two went to state schools and one goes to private school. The older two were part of a system that aimed to get people to a certain level of attainment. One was capable of more and was allowed to drift down to the "required" standard. The other was seen as too far short of that standard and left to rot. Neither fulfilled potential academically. The other goes to a private school. As well as fulfilling his potential academically he has developed into a confident and well rounded individual, without the streak of arrogance that I feared such an education would give him. It's a massive regret for me that I didn't have the means to educate the other two the same way. It's by far the best money I've spent on anything in my life and while we've gone without things to fund it the results (and I don't just mean GCSEs) have been more than worthwhile. Given economies of scale within the state system it should be able to educate bad develop individuals far better than it does. Alas, it's continuously fannied about with by central and local government and inflexible unions and has long since lost sight of what really matters. The kids. Jealousy of private education and a political will to destroy it is completely ill-judged. Expanding access to it would be a better political goal. Edited September 8, 2014 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 There's lots wrong with private schools and what they stand forWhat Opinions said. There are advantages to going to state schools at University, if you are applying to competitive courses or universities. Bright, hard-working children will succeed at both. However, bright children who have reasons not to work hard, other than laziness, such as ill health, will in my experience do better at private schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Is there? If you've got the money to pay for the better things in life there's nothing wrong with that, the entire population of the UK's children are entitled to free education and free healthcare.. If you want to go private your welcome to do so it's your money paying for it It's not free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) As a parent, my experience of private schools is nothing but positive. The child comes first. It's the state system that has lost its way despite the best efforts of many teachers. What does the state system stand for? Achieving average. That's appalling. Well done to those self motivated children who get beyond average within that system. I have three kids. Two went to state schools and one goes to private school. The older two were part of a system that aimed to get people to a certain level of attainment. One was capable of more and was allowed to drift down to the "required" standard. The other was seen as too far short of that standard and left to rot. Neither fulfilled potential academically. The other goes to a private school. As well as fulfilling his potential academically he has developed into a confident and well rounded individual, without the streak of arrogance that I feared such an education would give him. It's a massive regret for me that I didn't have the means to educate the other two the same way. It's by far the best money I've spent on anything in my life and while we've gone without things to fund it the results (and I don't just mean GCSEs) have been more than worthwhile. Given economies of scale within the state system it should be able to educate bad develop individuals far better than it does. Alas, it's continuously fannied about with by central and local government and inflexible unions and has long since lost sight of what really matters. The kids. Jealousy of private education and a political will to destroy it is completely ill-judged. Expanding access to it would be a better political goal. I think it does depend on which State School kids kids go to as there are decent examples and I think when you have a good School with good teachers, the teaching will be better than it was 20 years ago (IMO) and they interact with the kids a lot more. Saying that, Private Schools have more resources which means paying teachers more, smaller classes, the ability to plan for a long term basis etc. it's not surprising at the end of the day that it often results in better educated kids. My wife's a teacher in a decent states School in a deprived area of Manchester. By far the biggest problem she has had is the amount of time she has had to dedicate to change. Year on year she and her colleagues have had the carpet pulled from beneath them and had to re-write courses, prepare new classroom materials, sort out the administration of applying to different exam boards for different types of qualifications etc. It leaves less time for the kids at the end of the day. Oh and they recently changed from an Local Authority to an Academy (which in itself is a joke, how many new small businesses go to the wall early on yet all these School's are in effect being run as small businesses with less support and less economies of scale). Any Business leader will tell you that you don't improve by constantly changing (or as Alan Partridge said, they should 'evolve' not 'revolve'). There is much wrong with how State School's are run, though at least the non-educational 'expert' Gove is not involved now. Edited September 8, 2014 by jimsleftfoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 It's not free It is at the point of consumption. Most of the time. Pedant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 It is at the point of consumption. Most of the time. Pedant. But not at the point of paying for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 But not at the point of paying for it He never said it was. It's normally not necessary to add "at the point of consumption" because everyone understands what "free" means in the context. The only people who believe it's necessary to do so are Tories. And for what? So I get to give my eyes a little roll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 He never said it was. It's normally not necessary to add "at the point of consumption" because everyone understands what "free" means in the context. The only people who believe it's necessary to do so are Tories. And for what? So I get to give my eyes a little roll? I never said he said it was. Once I sit down with a pint I paid for a few seconds earlier does that become "free at the point of consumption"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 everyone understands what "free" means in the context. Sadly they don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I never said he said it was. Once I sit down with a pint I paid for a few seconds earlier does that become "free at the point of consumption"? No. And there's no saying you don't know why because you do. Or you can have a little think about it for a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Honestly, I don't. I've paid for both so the phrase "free at the point of consumption" can't apply to either. Can it? The only difference I can see is that I wasn't forced to pay for the beer and had a choice of different beers and different pubs to buy & drink the beer in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 It's not free right I mean we pay for it in our taxes, I've no problem in paying for schooling and healthcare with my taxes what I do object to is paying for MPs to get there second homes revamped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Villains Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) right I mean we pay for it in our taxes, I've no problem in paying for schooling and healthcare with my taxes what I do object to is paying for MPs to get there second homes revamped they could always rent it out to the eastern european migrant workers Edited September 8, 2014 by Pine Villains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 they could always rent it out to the eastern european migrant workers I think there getting enough don't you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Villains Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I think there getting enough don't you please explain.if theyre working to pay their way they deserve anything they can afford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 There's lots wrong with private schools and what they stand for Like what? That people can save the state system from having to educate a child whilst the parent still pays the same tax to support state education? That people are actually allowed to choose how they spend their money? That those who value education for their children have an opportunity to effectively increase their own tax rate and have that money directly benefit their own children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_b_100 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 So ........... are we signing Scholes or not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 So ........... are we signing Scholes or not ? OAFCM35 bringing politics into football needlessly, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 OAFCM35 bringing politics into football needlessly, again. Bull:censored:! There was no mention of football! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Speaking of which - take this left-vs-right bollocks off to the correct place: http://www.owtb.co.uk/index.php/topic/45873-the-daily-hatemail-vs-the-grauniad/ I've moved as many of the posts as I can be arsed finding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFCM35 Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 OAFCM35 bringing politics into football needlessly, again. I got asked a question and I answered it, not my fault that certain posters disagreed with my opinions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddog Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Speaking of which - take this left-vs-right bollocks off to the correct place: http://www.owtb.co.uk/index.php/topic/45873-the-daily-hatemail-vs-the-grauniad/ I've moved as many of the posts as I can be arsed finding. Thank you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticdickovarmy Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 On twitter last night Phil Neville account was taken over by Scholes for 5mins Q&A... Someone asked if he was ever going to have left United for another club who would it have been. Reponse was Oldham... I re-tweeted it and the 1st person to fav it was Lee Johnson.... Still never going to happen mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I got asked a question and I answered it, not my fault that certain posters disagreed with my opinions End of - take it to the other thread. Thank you!! No worries - we do try I promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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