Dave_Og Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I think we'll come up Short on Saturday unfortunately. I drew with him once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Has he just got to make his mind up between a style and the relevant personnel. With wingers, in which case we have to press high and play with real pace to stretch the opposition. 4-4-2 hasn't worked when we've played it because our centre-midfield is weak, the wingers just get bullied and fouled to break up play (remember start of last season) and we're vulnerable on the counter. It's predictable and easy to defend against too. Fans calling for entertaining football want a 4-4-2... England have been entertaining in recent years haven't they....! It's a system that's predictable, easy to man-mark and stifling creativity-wise. If you've got the money or set up the team to be a physical long-ball set-piece machine (usually the opposition that keeps beating us 1-0) then the formation doesn't matter perhaps... You just stay organised, track your men and pounce on a mistake. I think it's pace that's entertaining, and he's trying to marry that (counter-attacking pace) with enough strength and power (packing the midfield) so we don't get bullied like we did with a young 'ball-playing' side. But we seem to be getting caught between the two. Having said that another way of looking at it is, rather than chances missed, is actually the sloppy goals we've conceded. If we'd been hard to score against and keeping a clean sheet, the resulting positive mentality across the team would lead us to score enough goals to bag the points - like at the end of last season. I think a 4-4-2 with Kelly and Winchester in the middle just leaves us too weak there - unless Wilson can seriously up his game and bring the ball out from the back, like Tarky used to, and effectively form a midfield three at times - with plenty of players then to pick out - our midfield two just gets pegged back deep... If he want our full-backs to overlap, that leaves us even more vulnerable down the middle. My compromise would be 4-3-1-2. Winchester, Kelly, Dayton Philliskirk JCH and Forte. Yes it's narrow. But if they throw their full-backs forward, our midfield trio would have to help out - the one on each side covering behind the full-back for example if they've pushed on. And, importantly, with the two strikers we'd have the option of the easy ball in behind the full-backs for Forte and JCH as a get out of trouble card. When we're better-placed or more confident, the likes of Dayton and Winchester could drive forward with the ball - the injection of pace over 5/10m would create options and we'd have three strikers, in effect, to offer options and challenge for second balls etc. it's just key they move FORWARD as it were (even dummy offside runs) to tempt their defence back and create more space in the hole. That's because two up top (rather than just one) would also give DP more space or, at the very least, push one of their midfielders deeper -meaning we could have three on one in the middle of the park against a 4-4-2... Anyway, he'll either go 4-1-4-1, or a straight 4-4-2 and we'll win 4-0 :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don't worry be happy Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 it's going to be an epic, usual stuff stalemate for sixty five mins then they score of a corner we press for an equaliser and they hit us on the break 2 0 mr johnson says that its to early to panick, on wed he gets the boot and its a 40 page thread as to who is the next latics manager DONTYAJUSTLOVEIT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 it's going to be an epic, usual stuff stalemate for sixty five mins then they score of a corner we press for an equaliser and they hit us on the break 2 0 mr johnson says that its to early to panick, on wed he gets the boot and its a 40 page thread as to who is the next latics manager DONTYAJUSTLOVEIT You were spot on until you got to LJ getting the boot. Won't happen for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Has he just got to make his mind up between a style and the relevant personnel. With wingers, in which case we have to press high and play with real pace to stretch the opposition. 4-4-2 hasn't worked when we've played it because our centre-midfield is weak, the wingers just get bullied and fouled to break up play (remember start of last season) and we're vulnerable on the counter. It's predictable and easy to defend against too. Fans calling for entertaining football want a 4-4-2... England have been entertaining in recent years haven't they....! It's a system that's predictable, easy to man-mark and stifling creativity-wise. If you've got the money or set up the team to be a physical long-ball set-piece machine (usually the opposition that keeps beating us 1-0) then the formation doesn't matter perhaps... You just stay organised, track your men and pounce on a mistake. I think it's pace that's entertaining, and he's trying to marry that (counter-attacking pace) with enough strength and power (packing the midfield) so we don't get bullied like we did with a young 'ball-playing' side. But we seem to be getting caught between the two. Having said that another way of looking at it is, rather than chances missed, is actually the sloppy goals we've conceded. If we'd been hard to score against and keeping a clean sheet, the resulting positive mentality across the team would lead us to score enough goals to bag the points - like at the end of last season. I think a 4-4-2 with Kelly and Winchester in the middle just leaves us too weak there - unless Wilson can seriously up his game and bring the ball out from the back, like Tarky used to, and effectively form a midfield three at times - with plenty of players then to pick out - our midfield two just gets pegged back deep... If he want our full-backs to overlap, that leaves us even more vulnerable down the middle. My compromise would be 4-3-1-2. Winchester, Kelly, Dayton Philliskirk JCH and Forte. Yes it's narrow. But if they throw their full-backs forward, our midfield trio would have to help out - the one on each side covering behind the full-back for example if they've pushed on. And, importantly, with the two strikers we'd have the option of the easy ball in behind the full-backs for Forte and JCH as a get out of trouble card. When we're better-placed or more confident, the likes of Dayton and Winchester could drive forward with the ball - the injection of pace over 5/10m would create options and we'd have three strikers, in effect, to offer options and challenge for second balls etc. it's just key they move FORWARD as it were (even dummy offside runs) to tempt their defence back and create more space in the hole. That's because two up top (rather than just one) would also give DP more space or, at the very least, push one of their midfielders deeper -meaning we could have three on one in the middle of the park against a 4-4-2... Anyway, he'll either go 4-1-4-1, or a straight 4-4-2 and we'll win 4-0 :-) Systems like fads come and go, better to concentrate on what works for the players you've got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueInAus Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Anyone else having problems getting into the chat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyender2 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 ye not working for me either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Same here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Any update on how we played in the 1st half ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddyender2 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 working for me now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
help_shiny Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 for the first time in my life I wish I was in Doncaster! Sounds like they played really well. Hope the travelling army partied hard. Get innnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec1954 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Away crowd was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazlatic Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 681 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIKI1234 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Great game, great atmosphere . One of those memorable away days that don't cone around too often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Breeze Hill last week, Brazil (1970) today! Reminiscent of playing Forest off the park for a 2-0 win at the City Ground in 2006, on the day of Chubb's funeral. Could easily have been 5-0 in both games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Despite the HT score line I thought they shaded the first half. But second half we totally outclassed them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 jonson clarke-harris @ClarkeHarris · 1h Great win today we outplayed them by far today something to build on now well done lads George Elokobi @georgeelokobi · 1h Great win and a clean sheet today...lads worked hard and the fans were amazing and never stopped singing....G3 Billy @BillyQuarmby · 41m Great way to finish my time with the first team on to new things at the club @OfficialOAFC #OneTeamOneDream #oafc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 No more Billy? Gutted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 No more Billy? Gutted! He's been moved sideways- he's part of the ground staff according to the most recent programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) The Forte penalty celebration picture from twitter. https://www.flickr.com/photos/diego_sideburns/15062241236/ Edited August 30, 2014 by Diego_Sideburns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz_Oafc Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I notice some Doncaster fan is questioning what Paul "clipboard" Butler actually is/does over on the Donny forum. It seems he's carried on in his Chief Clipboard Operative job role over in Yorkshire lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I notice some Doncaster fan is questioning what Paul "clipboard" Butler actually is/does over on the Donny forum. It seems he's carried on in his Chief Clipboard Operative job role over in Yorkshire lol. Well that's 2 clubs that have gotten wise to him, only 90 more to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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