Clifford Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) How do you know Port Vale were not? Because we were the side talking to him. Edited January 7, 2015 by Clifford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) The thing with protest is that it loses its effect if you do it at home with no one watching. If Emily Davison chucked herself under a horse in a field with no one there, it would have been quite pointless. If you are going to rip up your tickets but not tell anyone, what would be the point exactly? It's because I think this is different. You are not "fighting for your right". It's a moral issue. An inividuals moral issue like this shouldn't need to have exposure. Your morals should say what you do. What we do is our business. Edited January 7, 2015 by pukka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 It's because I think this is different. You are not "fighting for your right". It's a moral issue. An inividuals moral issue like this shouldn't need to have exposure. Your morals should say what you do. What we do is our business. There is nothing wrong in asking people to rethink their own molarity on an issue. I would imagine this is what she is hoping to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngen Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Is he even worth the :censored: we have received. I mean is he that good? He found his level at League 1 by banging in a few goals before he went down. Now he hasnt played for 3 years & being 26 has probably missed a large chunk of development time. Would we be doing this for Forte (also scored goals at this level)? Or are we just hoping he is superb & miles above what we could get, to ensure the decision was a correct one? Surely there must be an option out there equally as good, witout the hassle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
losesome Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Surely there must be an option out there equally as good, witout the hassle? He available and Cheap !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc_lover Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 There is nothing wrong in asking people to rethink their own molarity on an issue. I would imagine this is what she is hoping to do. Sounds like she's a bit late! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/ched-evans-has-served-his-time--and-other-misconceptions-about-the-convicted-rapist-footballer-9957849.html Been struggling to find the one article that totally sums up my feelings on the subject. Found it. Perfectly highlights my feelings on it all. It's the same old trite and irrelevant nonsense I'm afraid. I was yawning all the way through it. No remorse (seriously people need to stop saying this.....it sounds SO stupid). Footballers are role models. He hasn't "technically" served his time. Absolutely nothing in the "facts" stated that indicate guilt beyond the jury's verdict. I would struggle to disagree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 So any protest is just people wanting attention.... Give over... Didn't say that did I. You really think that media attention is not uppermost in her thoughts with such a grandstand plan? 'Wow' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
help_shiny Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 some of the people who agree with me that Oldham shouldnt sign Ched Evans are beginning to make me want to sign him. I massively resent Corney for putting us in this position, I don't want Evans playing for Latics but I also think the 'radical feminists' (their words not mine) who are haunting social media would eff off and fight a real cause. Female Genital Mutiliation? Nah. Islamic State selling women as sex slaves in markets? Nah. Women being forced to wear veils? Nah. Rape sentencing that puts people like Evans out on the street so soon? Nope. Ah yes, let's whip ourselves into a frenzy over a League 1 football club that none of us have even heard of before. Many millions of women around the word suffer and these people say <expletive> all about any of it. He's out of prison and if you think sentencing should also mean that your punishment should continue once you're out then go and badger your MP to change the laws of the land. I don't want him at my club and I can't believe Latics have gone down this destructive path but do I think Evans should never play football again? No. Should he still be in prison? Perhaps but that's nothing to do with Latics. Do I think getting off your head, smashing your car into another and leaving them there to die while you hide out until your system is clear was worse? Yes but would seem I'm in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) It's the same old trite and irrelevant nonsense I'm afraid. I was yawning all the way through it. No remorse (seriously people need to stop saying this.....it sounds SO stupid). Footballers are role models. He hasn't "technically" served his time. Absolutely nothing in the "facts" stated that indicate guilt beyond the jury's verdict. I would struggle to disagree more. To be frank I am not surprised we have a different view on this subject. We do on most things. Edited January 7, 2015 by oafc0000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Groves's Perm Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 It's the same old trite and irrelevant nonsense I'm afraid. I was yawning all the way through it. No remorse (seriously people need to stop saying this.....it sounds SO stupid). Footballers are role models. He hasn't "technically" served his time. Absolutely nothing in the "facts" stated that indicate guilt beyond the jury's verdict. I would struggle to disagree more. Go on then. Disagree with some reasoned argument. Please. Tell us how he has shown remorse if you think that's wrong. Tell us how he has served his time if you think he has. Tell us what on earth "guilt beyond the jury's verdict" means! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Didn't say that did I. You really think that media attention is not uppermost in her thoughts with such a grandstand plan? 'Wow' It wasn't the first thought in my head when I read it. Edited January 7, 2015 by oafc0000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 There is nothing wrong in asking people to rethink their own molarity on an issue. I would imagine this is what she is hoping to do. No there isn't, there is a fantastic letter on facebook which in my opinion miles better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) To be frank I am not surprised we have a different view on this subject. We do on most things. That's a very odd statement to make 0000. I don't think we've conversed in years. Maybe a rebuttal would be in order if you think i'm wrong. Edited January 7, 2015 by PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) I don't think we've conversed in years 0000. Odd statement to make. We haven't... But when we did we always seemed to lock horns... You are entitled to your wrong opinions lol :P Edited January 7, 2015 by oafc0000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 No there isn't, there is a fantastic letter on facebook which in my opinion miles better But that it isn't it... She wants to express herself in this way... Just let her do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) The club is certainly not looking forward and it could help to push a generation of youngsters into the arms of the Manchester clubs. Maybe it will also will affect TPs youth team recruitment?. Edited January 7, 2015 by BP1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The thing with protest is that it loses its effect if you do it at home with no one watching. If Emily Davison chucked herself under a horse in a field with no one there, it would have been quite pointless. If you are going to rip up your tickets but not tell anyone, what would be the point exactly? Isnt that what I said? Just you used more words ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Go on then. Disagree with some reasoned argument. Please. Tell us how he has shown remorse if you think that's wrong. Tell us how he has served his time if you think he has. Tell us what on earth "guilt beyond the jury's verdict" means! 1) What reasoned argument? 2) I've said it at least 5 times now and so have others. Why would he show remorse if he believes he didn't do it? It beggars belief that people don't get this. 3) He has served his incarceration. This to me is the only relevant factor. Who cares if he can't go abroad? 4) The only "fact" provided by this journalist that supports the notion of Ched Evans' guilt is that of the jury's verdict. Edited January 7, 2015 by PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 But that it isn't it... She wants to express herself in this way... Just let her do it... Nobody stopping her far as I can see mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 But that it isn't it... She wants to express herself in this way... Just let her do it... Nobody stopping her far as I can see mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markoasis Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) An inividuals moral issue like this shouldn't need to have exposure. Your morals should say what you do. What we do is our business. Ditto. I know my stand on the whole issue, so do my close friends, thats the way it will stay... Edited January 7, 2015 by Markoasis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Nobody stopping her far as I can see mate? I just think its unfair that as part as this whole thing that the lady that felt angry enough to drive a long distance to make a very small protest is highlighted as some sort of media whore.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Maybeit will also will affect TPs youth team recruitment?. If your kid had a choice of clubs to join, would you push them towards the one with a convicted rapist on their books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Ditto. I know my stand on the whole issue, so do my close friends, thats the way it will stay... So you don't want to say what it is here ? Shame... As a respected poster it would be interesting to know your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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