Chaddy_Ender Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 A lot has been posted on here in recent weeks mainly from fans who genuinely want to see crowds improve at our home games, can anybody tell me what the club are doing about this or are they just happy for things to stagnate and rely on the 3000 and falling hardcore ? It seems to me the only effort the club want to put in is to harp on in the local press how they feel pissed off by the lack of interest in the support the team gets and the money they take in well can I ask a question, whats being done about it and the answers nothing, didnt the trust put something to the club with regards the Yeovil game ? Why was our game the most expensive FA Cup tie at the weekend, other teams charging as little as £10 for similar standing fixtures, its okay Corney harping on about how he and the directors feel disappointed what about the loyal fans who keep paying to watch the team home and away, not one mention of them in Corneys interview, theres only so much we can do to try and persuade lapsed fans to return and get back in the habit of attending whats the club doing ? If it means charging a fiver for one game and taking ahot so be it but one things for sure it isnt just gonna happen cos we dont lose as many as we used too, we have seen all these new appointments recemtly within the club what is anybody actively doing to improve things ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footy68 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 And breathe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Now hang on...is this your view or that of the Athleticos (just so I'm clear) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SavageTheBeast Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 We had no choice to put the game at 20 pounds as our initial request of 15 was blocked by Donny, both teams have to agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 We had no choice to put the game at 20 pounds as our initial request of 15 was blocked by Donny, both teams have to agree Robbing Yorkshire Bastards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Been done to death this but in summary, one off discounts don't have any impact, a permanent price reduction might but isn't going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Its all been done before and hasn't worked, why try now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiecat Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Maybe it would be better to look at those stay aways and ask why THEY can't be arsed watching THEIR team playing attractive football and occupying a very good league position ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddy_Ender Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Maybe it would be better to look at those stay aways and ask why THEY can't be arsed watching THEIR team playing attractive football and occupying a very good league position ! Have they asked them then ? Do they ask people who dont renew season tickets the reason why ? Some level of positivity returns to the club and we always get one of the usual suspect rolling out the doom and gloom one liners as a fan it annoys me so I dread to think how the some of the stayaways take it. Edited December 10, 2014 by athleticosOA95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddy_Ender Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 Its all been done before and hasn't worked, why try now? So that it coincides with a better run of form, any type of offer will go down better running alongside a successful team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaddy_Ender Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 What happened to the lad and dad offer that was put to the club then for the Yeovil game ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 If we are still in the play-offs by February (Massive if), then crowds will probably pick up a bit. until then they will hover just below 4000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiecat Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 As mentioned previously, the club has tried incentives to boost the gate and with very little success. That could possibly be down to the fact that we have been crap when said incentives have been tried and not really offered a decent product on the pitch. Makes you wonder how many season tickets we could sell at £150 a pop ( not that it would happen ) but my guess would be no more than double the current number. Everyone, be it fans,management or players would love to see the place rocking with 8 or 9000 crowds but it would take a serious and sustained promotion challenge to get anywhere near these figures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) The only sure way to attract more fans is success on the pitch, if the team can keep in the play off zone there's no need for special offers. Edited December 10, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeroyboy Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 The short answer to your question is, yes. But a more pertinent question would be, 'who' in particular should they pay any attention to? I really don't mean to put down the 'cheaper football' lobby of a small percentage of supporters but I have yet to see one of them producing a 'profit and loss' account to support their ideas. Example 1: The Orient cup tie attendance was 3,034. The match was heavily discounted £10 adults, £5 concessions and produced match receipts of circa £25,000. To reach this figure it has been necessary to make an educated guess at the number of concessions and for simplicity I have opted for 33%. Any error will not unduly effect the impact of my post. Example 2: The Doncaster cup tie came with a £2 discount for adults and seniors with under 16's £5 in most areas but £10 in the Main Stand. Again I have pitched the split at 33% with concessions at £8 and adults at £20. This created match receipts of circa £52,000. Putting the two figures close together highlights the problem our club and any other club has. £52,000 for a 3,242 'slightly' discounted gate. £25,000 for a 3,034 'heavily' discounted gate. £27,000 is a massif amount to us. It's no good quoting what some other club is trying - every single club has a different set of circumstances to some degree, as does every other company in the country. The sad fact is that the missing 3,000 fans from 10yrs ago have found something else to do with their money and getting them back on a regular basis is going to be slow progress. I don't see 6,000 home fans a BP this season unless we're in a really strong position come April. If memory serves me correctly Big Joe's first season's average was below 5,000 and his second season wasn't much better. And that was in the old 2nd Division, todays Championship. Success DOES increase support. Heavy discounting will make sure we never get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 It's a tough one. The "gift card" offer is one we could all back to try and get the lapsed family member back to BP. And it's evidence of an initiative, albeit a minor one. We played Doncaster at the same stage two seasons ago. The crowd, iirc, was around 500 lower that day than it was last Saturday, despite the price being £15 in 2012. So perhaps things are picking up. I am critical of the club's self marketing efforts. I posted a gripe shared by many around prices for non-earning 16-21 year olds (specifically 16-17 year olds) as I think they deter attendance into adulthood. There's a lot that's not great. But we shouldn't forget that this is not a multi-national corporation with a marketing department employing hundreds of staff. It's a tiny business in the back streets of Oldham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parigby Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I know that this is a slightly skewed response, apologies, but this is where l get kind of confused ( acceptable as l've been a Latics for 64 years ). We've had a promising first half to the season, and look as though we are in with a very good shout of a play-off spot. But still the crowds disappoint at around the 3,000 + mark. We are spending a not inconsiderable amount of money on building a new stand. My question is, for whom ? People keep banging on about "facilities" and how the pre and post match experience will be better. But again l ask for whom ? Supporters come to watch a successful side, playing good football and scoring goals. They don't come to sit in comfort and watch losses and dross (not that is what we are now producing ). I know it is a bit simplistic, but try this : (1) Ground as is - but we are in the Premiership and relatively OK (2) Super new stand and super facilities - but we are where we are now Which of the above gets you bigger crowds, and more revenue ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShireBlue Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 The new stand is as much about bringing in money from it's facilities (gym, conferencing, SportsDirect store etc.), as it is comfort for a smattering of 3,800 fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Chesterfield's crowds have doubled since moving to their new ground, the new stand will definitely attract new fans. You can't expect people to turn up in their thousands after nearly 20 seasons of dejection, it's going to take a bit more than a few home wins, I think the excitement over our current position just shows how bad it has been for years. That's not to detract from the fantastic start. If we're still up there post-winter period crowds will increase, I'd expect us to break 5/6,000 regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Am I the only one who would like the money saved from offers to be put into the team funds. Offers have not worked, so keep that money into the player budget. The only successful ongoing and regular reduced price season ticket offer seems to be Bradford. Why is every club not doing it if it is successful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Try all the offers you want, they might turn up for one game, but they won't keep coming. Everyone knows a friend/relative who says they will come back for '*said reason*'. But once you're out of the habit it's difficult to get yourself back to it. And even if the club managed to find a solution to these reasons, I bet most still wouldn't return on a regular basis. Only way is to start winning. :censored: single-game offers, because that's all they improve the attendance of - one game. Edited December 10, 2014 by NewBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) The only sure way to attract more fans is success on the pitch, if the team can keep in the play off zone there's no need for special offers. Correct. I'd pay 40 pounds to watch these lot at the moment... Edited December 11, 2014 by Lee Sinnott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Correct. I'd play 40 pounds to watch these lot at the moment... Barry's listening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Early round cup games should be cheaper. Crowds will slowly rise as the club slowly does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Early round cup games should be cheaper. While I instinctively agree with you, the FA Cup 2014 game against Doncaster attracted a bigger crowd than the 2012 game. Which was cheaper to get into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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