Lee Sinnott Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Our best success recently came with Philliskirk on his own up front, with Johnson playing off him. I'd be inclined to go with that tomorrow, with a midfield four of Forte, Tidser, Jones and Winchester... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) We have more midfielders than we have positions in midfield. That means you either play a formation with more midfielders in it or you play your midfielders 'out' of position. We also need a striker with striker's instinct. Someone who is willing to stand up there all game and get in positions on the shoulder of the last defender. I've no doubt Philliskirk has the football brain to play those positions, it's whether he can overcome the temptation to come deep to collect the ball every attack, and also the pace. He'll run his socks off to lead the line, that's for sure. We need a system that allows us to play Winchester, Johnson, Forte and Philliskirk together. Him up front would allow us to do that in a 4-5-1, with Jones and Tidser/Dieng behind and then the regular back 4. It can't be any worse than us with Ibehre in these last few matches. Edited December 28, 2014 by NewBlue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Chubs Wilson Elokobi Wilson Mills Dieng Tidser Forte Jones Johnson Philiskirk Johnson just off philly. Lets be hard to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Chubs Wilson Elokobi Wilson Mills Dieng Tidser Forte Jones Johnson Philiskirk Johnson just off philly. Lets be hard to beat. Was that the lineup at Dale? Makes sense, although I really want Winchester in there, so I'd probably play him instead of Dieng and have Jones alongside Tidser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgaz Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Dont think elokobi started and kelly played. But I'd always play two holding midfielders away from home. Its not negative but allows you more opportunity to have the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Dont think elokobi started and kelly played. But I'd always play two holding midfielders away from home. Its not negative but allows you more opportunity to have the ball. Don't let BP1960 see you post that - 2 holding midfielders? He'd have an eppy!!! FWIW: i'd go similar... Chubs (until a replacement comes in again) Kusunga Elekobi J Wilson Mills Dieng Jones Winchester Johnson Forte Philliskirk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Don't let BP1960 see you post that - 2 holding midfielders? He'd have an eppy!!! FWIW: i'd go similar... Chubs (until a replacement comes in again) Kusunga Elekobi J Wilson Mills Dieng Jones Winchester Johnson Forte Philliskirk Don't mind away from home Sly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Don't let BP1960 see you post that - 2 holding midfielders? He'd have an eppy!!! FWIW: i'd go similar... Chubs (until a replacement comes in again) Kusunga Elekobi J Wilson Mills Dieng Jones Winchester Johnson Forte Philliskirk We've got a really good set of players. This bad run really shouldn't have happened, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Dont think elokobi started and kelly played. But I'd always play two holding midfielders away from home. Its not negative but allows you more opportunity to have the ball. Jesus, how could I have forgotten Kelly's efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 One idea could be to go back to the 4-1-4-1 that worked well at the end of last season. It gives us a bit of solidity, with someone mopping in front of the back four too. Also you can be a solid 4-1-4-1 off the ball, but very quickly be a 4-3-3 on it. You could have.. Danny P up top, but I'd be tempted to try Winchester behind Danny P, Johnson, Jones and Forte, with Jabo up front - or a bit riskier with Poleon or Morgan-Smith up top. Danny P has played on the right before, can be trusted to cover, and has scored a few from there too - Shrewsbury away, Swindon at home and the pen and Johnson's goal at Dale came from him drifting out to the right I think. You have a lot of flexibility as Johnson can quickly act as a second striker or a number 10, and Danny P can also cut in from the right to give an option up - forming a 4-1-3-2. Hopefully a few bodies in the middle would give Winchester, arguably our best passer of a ball forward to feet and into space, time to start moves and carry the ball forward. Johnson may have question marks on his work-rate, which is why I wouldn't have him on the right, but he has technique and can receive a pass and link up pay. However, if the other team drop deep, Another more aggressive option is to have Danny P in Johnson's role in the middle (a bit like Rooney at ManUre), ditch the player in front of the back four (Wilson can still bring the ball out and pick a pass?) and move Winchester onto the right, and then have two of Jabo, Poleon or Morgan-Smith up top. Perhaps this would be an alternative for home games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhamoafc Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) Philliskirk might run around a little bit. But he doesn't actiallu get stuck in. He's the weak link in the team at the minute in my opinion. Loses the ball too much, Not the best passer and slows us down, he's weak and doesn't score or assist many. People will disagree cos of who he is and who his dad is etc. If it's a choice... Johnson wins hands down, 100% I'd play Rachubka Wilson Wilson Dieng (elokobi will probably play) Mills Winchester Jones Tidser (Kelly if fit) Forte Johnson Ibehre Edit: I do think philliskirk is more effective away from home! Edited December 28, 2014 by oldhamoafc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 People will disagree cos of who he is and who his dad is etc. No. I disagree because I think much of what you posted is nonsense. In my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Philliskirk might run around a little bit. But he doesn't actiallu get stuck in. He's the weak link in the team at the minute in my opinion. Loses the ball too much, Not the best passer and slows us down, he's weak and doesn't score or assist many. People will disagree cos of who he is and who his dad is etc. If it's a choice... Johnson wins hands down, 100% I'd play Rachubka Wilson Wilson Dieng (elokobi will probably play) Mills Winchester Jones Tidser (Kelly if fit) Forte Johnson Ibehre Edit: I do think philliskirk is more effective away from home! You do have a point about Philliskirk losing possession, its something I'm sure opponents have picked up on, and at times as a result the defence has been left totally exposed, he really needs to be stronger on the ball, his work rate though cannot be criticised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Philliskirk might run around a little bit. But he doesn't actiallu get stuck in. He's the weak link in the team at the minute in my opinion. Loses the ball too much, Not the best passer and slows us down, he's weak and doesn't score or assist many. People will disagree cos of who he is and who his dad is etc. If it's a choice... Johnson wins hands down, 100% I'd play Rachubka Wilson Wilson Dieng (elokobi will probably play) Mills Winchester Jones Tidser (Kelly if fit) Forte Johnson Ibehre Edit: I do think philliskirk is more effective away from home! I'm calling it. Bull:censored:. There. Called it. Bull:censored:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alangroves Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Personally, I would like to accommodate both players. Johnson oozes class at this level. So comfortable on the ball and rare, nowadays, to see players able to 'shimmy' past opponents (like Gascoigne used to do) - love him and quite able to forgive his lack of defensive qualities simply because he's the type of quality worth paying to see. I also appreciate Danny - a real grafter and a very intelligent player. I still do not think we have found the best way to utilise him though - I think he's got at least a dozen goals a season in him at this level - once LJ figures out how to play him properly - he'll be a very valuable asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I'd like to think we'd progressed from loving players just because they run around a lot but have little talent like Warne. Philly is a good player for us, one of the best we can hope for on a permanent contract, but he's not as good as Johnson and they play similar roles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scottish Zidane Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) I wonder what Johnson would be like playing up top. That way he wouldn't have to worry about defence. Edited December 31, 2014 by The Scottish Zidane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I wonder what Johnson would be like playing up top. That way he wouldn't have to worry about defence. Exactly - creative spark yet we play him too deep. 3 points from Play Off position, game in hand .... season reset starting next game. Time to wheel & deal to freshen up the front line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) I wonder if this is ever tried in practice..you never know Johnson might be effective as a second striker, could Kusunga do a job at centre forward, could Mills do a Done and convert to a goal scoring striker, could Winchester become an effective holding midfielder?..I guess we will never know. It was a good job big Joe thought of trying Ian Marshall as a centre forward or history might have told a different story. Edited December 31, 2014 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I wonder if this is ever tried in practice..you never know Johnson might be effective as a second striker, could Kusunga do a job at centre forward, could Mills do a Done and convert to a goal scoring striker, could Winchester become an effective holding midfielder?..I guess we will never know. It was a good job big Joe thought of trying Ian Marshall as a centre forward or history might have told a different story. From what i remember, Joe thought Marshy was a centreback all day long. It was Marshy who kept pestering him about being a centreforward. Effective though he was, I remember agreeing with Joe at the time. Marshy was good up front, but i thought he was a fantastic centreback. Still, Marshy insisted he wanted to play up front, and there is no doubt he did a good job for us and Ipswich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I wonder if this is ever tried in practice..you never know Johnson might be effective as a second striker, could Kusunga do a job at centre forward, could Mills do a Done and convert to a goal scoring striker, could Winchester become an effective holding midfielder?..I guess we will never know. It was a good job big Joe thought of trying Ian Marshall as a centre forward or history might have told a different story. Marshall had been splitting his playing time between centre forward & centre half whilst he was at Everton, before he joined us. The better, modern players should be equally adept in a number of roles although the typical response to any player moving around in a formation on here would include something about pegs and holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 If Aston Villa want Daniel to play he either has to stay here or go to Chesterfield (two club rule). I would prefer him to stay but that does give us selection problems as I don't think Daniel and Forte can play in the same team against strong opposition. Forte has done an exceptional job but can't be allowed to tackle back in case he gets injured. I haven't seen Daniel add much to our defending. With both we are a man down defending. My only criticism of Philli is his lack of goals but he should still, after Kelly, be the second name on the team sheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I don't think Daniel and Forte can play in the same team against strong opposition They did a decent job together at Bramall Lane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 According to the Chron Johnson is looking to sign him on a permanent deal if agreement can be reached with Villa and the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 According to the Chron Johnson is looking to sign him on a permanent deal if agreement can be reached with Villa and the player. Absolutely excellent news if true. I'm very surprised, the lad is a class above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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