yarddog Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 As we are coming to the annual name the next manager lottery (or spin the bottle), I thought I might like to offer a couple of pointers, some cud to chew on. As a football supporter/follower throughout my life, it has come to my attention what some good and bad managers appear to have in common. Eg. Kevin Keegan 4 Championship medals. (including Germany) 1 FA cup winners medal 1 Euro supercup winners medal 63 International caps PFA player of the year 1982 Ballon dor winner 1978, 1979. John Barnes 2 Championship winners 2 FA cup winners medals 1 League cup winners medal PFA player of the year award 1988 79 International cap. Kenny Dalglish 6 English championship medals 1 FA cup winners medal 4 League cup winners medals 3 European cup medals 1 Supercup medal 102 International caps 30 International goals. TOTAL DUFFERS Whereas:- Alex Ferguson Played for the mighty Dunfirmline, Ayr Utd and Forfar 1 Scottish league cup runners up medal. Scored a few goals. Jose Mourinho Played for Rio Ave (because his dad was the coach) Belenenses Sesimbra Took Early retirement because he was total :censored:e and no-one would sign him. Roy Hodgson Played for Crystal Palace Giant killing Northfleet Knee trembling Gravesend Awesome Maidstone Best of recent generation It appears to me that the more :censored: you are as a player , the better you become as a manager. Bull:censored:, Bollocks I hear you all cry! But my explanation is this. The more :censored: you are the more you have to think about your game, hence you became more aware of tactics, positioning and observant of whats going on.Whereas the more gifted you are, you dont give a :censored: about formations , positioning etc, you just play on instinct. The likes of Barnes Dalglish and Keegan just got the ball, dribbled around a few players and stuck the ball in the net. Which brings me to this conclusion:- David Dunn 1 International cap Over 300 Premier appearances. You Decide ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 It appears to me that the more :censored: you are as a player , the better you become as a manager. Darren Kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Kenny Dalglish & Kevin Keegan "total duffers"?? Dalglish won the first double in a generation back when it still meant something and went on to become one of very few managers to win titles with more than one club...... Keegan got promotions with 3 different clubs, nearly won the league with Newcastle (NEWCASTLE!) and got himself the England job.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorelatic Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Darren Kelly There is always one exception to the rule - and you found it straight away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Anyway, we don't need Dunn to win us the Champions League - just a League One playoff final will do.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzer Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Kenny Dalglish & Kevin Keegan "total duffers"?? Dalglish won the first double in a generation back when it still meant something and went on to become one of very few managers to win titles with more than one club...... Keegan got promotions with 3 different clubs, nearly won the league with Newcastle (NEWCASTLE!) and got himself the England job.... Aye - putting uncle Roy in with Ferguson and Mourinho is a bit of a stretch too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_latics Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Where to start with this? "Roy Hodgson" and "best of recent generation" don't go in the same sentence. Pep Guardiola, Luis Enrique, Diego Simeone, Ronald Koeman, Carlo Ancelotti. All very good players, all very good managers. Dalglish won a Premier League title with Blackburn, and loads of stuff at Liverpool. Yeah, there's Villas-Boas, Rodgers, Mourinho who had crap careers and became good managers. But there's John Carver, Darren Kelly, and a load of other garbage who didn't. Then there's Barnes, Roy Keane, Maradona, Shearer who were great players, and :censored: managers. Basically, there's no formula. Each gaffer is different, and it's not their playing background that makes or breaks them, there's a thousand other factors that dictate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsChris Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Kenny Dalglish & Kevin Keegan "total duffers"?? Dalglish won the first double in a generation back when it still meant something and went on to become one of very few managers to win titles with more than one club...... Keegan got promotions with 3 different clubs, nearly won the league with Newcastle (NEWCASTLE!) and got himself the England job.... Exactly what I was going to say. Dalglish won four league titles and two FA Cups for Christ's sake. Alex Ferguson Played for the mighty Dunfirmline, Ayr Utd and Forfar 1 Scottish league cup runners up medal. Scored a few goals. When you do your second draft of Ferguson's CV he'd probably appreciate you including Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAC0AFC Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Where to start with this? "Roy Hodgson" and "best of recent generation" don't go in the same sentence. Pep Guardiola, Luis Enrique, Diego Simeone, Ronald Koeman, Carlo Ancelotti. All very good players, all very good managers. Dalglish won a Premier League title with Blackburn, and loads of stuff at Liverpool. Yeah, there's Villas-Boas, Rodgers, Mourinho who had crap careers and became good managers. But there's John Carver, Darren Kelly, and a load of other garbage who didn't. Then there's Barnes, Roy Keane, Maradona, Shearer who were great players, and :censored: managers. Basically, there's no formula. Each gaffer is different, and it's not their playing background that makes or breaks them, there's a thousand other factors that dictate it. what this man said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Yeah, some top notch analysis there... Sorry, not analysis - I meant formatting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 This board gets weirder by the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Destroyed. Rightfully destroyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Are we forgetting what a great player Joe Royle was, whereas Jimmy Frizzell was about average? Edited October 7, 2015 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 John Sheridan - great player. Dave Penney - great bricklayer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Kenny Dalglish & Kevin Keegan "total duffers"?? Dalglish won the first double in a generation back when it still meant something and went on to become one of very few managers to win titles with more than one club...... Keegan got promotions with 3 different clubs, nearly won the league with Newcastle (NEWCASTLE!) and got himself the England job.... Thanks. You saved me the effort of posting pretty much exactly this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrnes boots Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 John Sheridan - great player. Dave Penney - great bricklayer Who says he was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) As we are coming to the annual name the next manager lottery (or spin the bottle), I thought I might like to offer a couple of pointers, some cud to chew on. As a football supporter/follower throughout my life, it has come to my attention what some good and bad managers appear to have in common. Eg. Kevin Keegan 4 Championship medals. (including Germany) 1 FA cup winners medal 1 Euro supercup winners medal 63 International caps PFA player of the year 1982 Ballon dor winner 1978, 1979. John Barnes 2 Championship winners 2 FA cup winners medals 1 League cup winners medal PFA player of the year award 1988 79 International cap. Kenny Dalglish 6 English championship medals 1 FA cup winners medal 4 League cup winners medals 3 European cup medals 1 Supercup medal 102 International caps 30 International goals. TOTAL DUFFERS Whereas:- Alex Ferguson Played for the mighty Dunfirmline, Ayr Utd and Forfar 1 Scottish league cup runners up medal. Scored a few goals. Jose Mourinho Played for Rio Ave (because his dad was the coach) Belenenses Sesimbra Took Early retirement because he was total :censored:e and no-one would sign him. Roy Hodgson Played for Crystal Palace Giant killing Northfleet Knee trembling Gravesend Awesome Maidstone Best of recent generation It appears to me that the more :censored: you are as a player , the better you become as a manager. Bull:censored:, Bollocks I hear you all cry! But my explanation is this. The more :censored: you are the more you have to think about your game, hence you became more aware of tactics, positioning and observant of whats going on.Whereas the more gifted you are, you dont give a :censored: about formations , positioning etc, you just play on instinct. The likes of Barnes Dalglish and Keegan just got the ball, dribbled around a few players and stuck the ball in the net. Which brings me to this conclusion:- David Dunn 1 International cap Over 300 Premier appearances. You Decide ! Surprised you have not included Arsene Wenger in your all encompassing and comprehensive assessment.... Edited October 7, 2015 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 John Sheridan - great player. Dave Penney - great bricklayer Who says he was Exactly. Look at Penney's last effort.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeroyboy Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Is there any evidence 'ever' of a great manager being predicted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) As we are coming to the annual name the next manager lottery (or spin the bottle), I thought I might like to offer a couple of pointers, some cud to chew on. As a football supporter/follower throughout my life, it has come to my attention what some good and bad managers appear to have in common. Eg. Kevin Keegan 4 Championship medals. (including Germany) 1 FA cup winners medal 1 Euro supercup winners medal 63 International caps PFA player of the year 1982 Ballon dor winner 1978, 1979. John Barnes 2 Championship winners 2 FA cup winners medals 1 League cup winners medal PFA player of the year award 1988 79 International cap. Kenny Dalglish 6 English championship medals 1 FA cup winners medal 4 League cup winners medals 3 European cup medals 1 Supercup medal 102 International caps 30 International goals. TOTAL DUFFERS Whereas:- Alex Ferguson Played for the mighty Dunfirmline, Ayr Utd and Forfar 1 Scottish league cup runners up medal. Scored a few goals. Jose Mourinho Played for Rio Ave (because his dad was the coach) Belenenses Sesimbra Took Early retirement because he was total :censored:e and no-one would sign him. Roy Hodgson Played for Crystal Palace Giant killing Northfleet Knee trembling Gravesend Awesome Maidstone Best of recent generation It appears to me that the more :censored: you are as a player , the better you become as a manager. Bull:censored:, Bollocks I hear you all cry! But my explanation is this. The more :censored: you are the more you have to think about your game, hence you became more aware of tactics, positioning and observant of whats going on.Whereas the more gifted you are, you dont give a :censored: about formations , positioning etc, you just play on instinct. The likes of Barnes Dalglish and Keegan just got the ball, dribbled around a few players and stuck the ball in the net. Which brings me to this conclusion:- David Dunn 1 International cap Over 300 Premier appearances. You Decide ! Pep Guardiola. He fits into your succesful player crap manager template doesn't he... Player he won the following: Barcelona B Segunda División B: 1990–91 Barcelona La Liga: 1990–91, 1991–92, 1992–93, 1993–94, 1997–98, 1998–99 Copa del Rey: 1996–97, 1997–98 Supercopa de España: 1991, 1992, 1994, 1996 UEFA Champions League: 1991–92 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1996–97 UEFA Super Cup: 1992, 1997 Spain Olympic Gold Medal: 1992 And as a manger only won trhe following: Barcelona B Tercera División: 2007–08 Barcelona La Liga: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11 Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12 Supercopa de España: 2009, 2010, 2011 UEFA Champions League: 2008–09, 2010–11 UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011 FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011 Bayern Munich Bundesliga: 2013–14, 2014–15 DFB-Pokal: 2013–14 UEFA Super Cup: 2013 FIFA Club World Cup: 2013 Edited October 7, 2015 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Is there any evidence 'ever' of a great manager being predicted? Jose? AVB? (stretching the definition of great, but he's ok) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeroyboy Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Jose? AVB? (stretching the definition of great, but he's ok) A morsel of required evidence would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Who's arsed? All knew this was the de facto state of affairs. :censored: knows how we'll do under him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 He was only made interim so it didn't look like firing Kelly off wasn't a pre planned move, lets hope we can pick up a couple of wins soon to kick start our season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) How about Derby County manager Paul Clement, former assistant manager at Chelsea, Paris St Germain and Real Madrid, he was a PE teacher and never played above non league level? Edited October 7, 2015 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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