mcfluff1985 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 So when I am in town next weekend I dont need to pay attention to the miserable looking manc telling me what he is going to do to me but I need to beware the elbows of the gangly french pensioner in an anorak zipped down to his ankles? If I call you a :censored: and threaten to knock you out, that's not worse than if I pushed you and actually put my hands in you. Or are you saying it's not possible for old people to commit assault because of their age? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) So when I am in town next weekend I dont need to pay attention to the miserable looking manc telling me what he is going to do to me but I need to beware the elbows of the gangly french pensioner in an anorak zipped down to his ankles? Well yes, to be frank. As I said, shades. But what if you accidentally lost your balance, fell and smacked your head on the concrete and knocked yourself out (with a bit of a shove rather than accidental) or even worse, the person could actually potentially be up for manslaughter. Of course, I am not remotely saying that in this specific case, but that is why the physical contact is the next level up or more on par with more a bit of menace. I am not saying I agree with it, or that words should not be treated seriously as there are many examples of that, just how it is. Edited January 23, 2017 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 In your hierarchy of seriousness isactually pushing somebody therefore more serious than threatening them with a knife or gun but not touching them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron West Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 If I call you a :censored: and threaten to knock you out, that's not worse than if I pushed you and actually put my hands in you. Or are you saying it's not possible for old people to commit assault because of their age? I think you mean putting your hands on him. Not in him well I hope so at least. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 In your hierarchy of seriousness isactually pushing somebody therefore more serious than threatening them with a knife or gun but not touching them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Time for a drink. Edited January 23, 2017 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I think you mean putting your hands on him. Not in him well I hope so at least. ? Depends how many drinks I've had ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 In your hierarchy of seriousness isactually pushing somebody therefore more serious than threatening them with a knife or gun but not touching them? Now you're just chasing an argument with bull:censored:. We're comparing Sheridan and Wenger. Which is worse out of those 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Now you're just chasing an argument with bull:censored:. We're comparing Sheridan and Wenger. Which is worse out of those 2? I'd sooner face Wenger in a car park straightener but Sheridan in a sex dungeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron West Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 My view on both situations. Shez is out of order for it but I still pissed myself when I read it especially the my kids won't be getting any Christmas presents part. The ban was reflective of the offence imo. I hadn't seen the wenger push so I went on YouTube before to have a look. It's clear to see that the push wasn't really very hard but ultimately he's laid his hands on the 4th official and should get a lengthy ban, although I doubt very much this would happen. It seems he has form for this too. There was another video titled Wenger pushes 4th official but that was against stoke and uploaded a month ago, although I couldn't be arsed watching it so can't confirm. As for the bloke from the times clearly just a bell end isn't he. I can't stand the premier league for the blatant biased to the "bigger teams" imo. I'd love to see latics in the championship but tbh I wouldn't be so keen on us getting to the money league in my own selfish way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I am not comparing anybody with anybody. The point is that invented comparisons, or back of a fag packet hierarchies of seriousness are itotally irrelevant as to whether Sheridans behaviour can be defended or excused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 I am not comparing anybody with anybody. The point is that invented comparisons, or back of a fag packet hierarchies of seriousness are itotally irrelevant as to whether Sheridans behaviour can be defended or excused Well avoided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Well yes, to be frank. As I said, shades. But what if you accidentally lost your balance, fell and smacked your head on the concrete and knocked yourself out (with a bit of a shove rather than accidental) or even worse, the person could actually potentially be up for manslaughter. Of course, I am not remotely saying that in this specific case, but that is why the physical contact is the next level up or more on par with more a bit of menace. I am not saying I agree with it, or that words should not be treated seriously as there are many examples of that, just how it is. I really dont think that we can upgrade Wenger's to a push. It couldnt even be described as handbags, more like a hand off with a limp wrist. With a Kenneth Williams voiceover 'ohh go away!' It reminded me of a recently departed player. Over to you Leeslover. Wenger will get a ban-for not leaving the techncal area. He will have to apologise for the manhandling. I will try not to laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I am not comparing anybody with anybody. The point is that invented comparisons, or back of a fag packet hierarchies of seriousness are itotally irrelevant as to whether Sheridans behaviour can be defended or excused What does itotally mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 What does itotally mean? It means that when Somebody is on trial in court 2 the jury decides on evidence presented in court 2. The evidence from different cases in courts 3 4 and 5 is irrelevant and indeed inadmissible in deciding guilt or not. Once the jury decides guilty or not guilty the judicary decide on the sentence and include precedence and tariff guidelines in that decision. This thread is about whether Sheridans actions have any defence.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) It means that when Somebody is on trial in court 2 the jury decides on evidence presented in court 2. The evidence from different cases in courts 3 4 and 5 is irrelevant and indeed inadmissible in deciding guilt or not. Once the jury decides guilty or not guilty the judicary decide on the sentence and include precedence and tariff guidelines in that decision. This thread is about whether Sheridans actions have any defence....Enjoy your holiday. Edited January 24, 2017 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Enjoy your holiday. Thank you .... What you really mean of course.is " Do us all a favour and take a holiday" ......you'll miss me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 What does itotally mean?[/quote It means that when Somebody is on trial in court 2 the jury decides on evidence presented in court 2. The evidence from different cases in courts 3 4 and 5 is irrelevant and indeed inadmissible in deciding guilt or not. Once the jury decides guilty or not guilty the judicary decide on the sentence and include precedence and tariff guidelines in that decision. This thread is about whether Sheridans actions have any defence.... Ah. For a minute there I thought you had spent a day calling people think and then made a couple of top notch SPG errors. That would have been embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magister Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 If I thought apostrophes would be understood on here I would use them The capital S on somebody is actually correct as in this instance it is a proper noun in this instance? Has SPAG now become SPG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/notts-county-alan-hardy-john-sheridan-3535438.aspx Notts County Statement. Sounds like Shez wouldn't have got a pay off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 http://www.nottscountyfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/notts-county-alan-hardy-john-sheridan-3535438.aspx Notts County Statement. Sounds like Shez wouldn't have got a pay off. Yep. Do you think they'd have taken such a hard line if results had been good...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yep. Do you think they'd have taken such a hard line if results had been good...? As "a family club" you'd have thought they'd be more concerned about Shez's kids Christmas. Heartless bastards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics and England Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 What a load of garbage. They sacked him because of results. He was 4 games into a 5 game ban. Surely if he was sacked for his actions that led to the ban he would have left 4 games earlier. A full month passed between the Wycombe game and them dismissing him. I struggle to believe that an internal investigation would take that long and if they were genuinely so disgusted he would have been suspended during any investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 As "a family club" you'd have thought they'd be more concerned about Shez's kids Christmas. Heartless bastards. Imagine the response if they had that french pensioner in charge after his vicious assault on the 4th official Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 What a load of garbage. They sacked him because of results. He was 4 games into a 5 game ban. Surely if he was sacked for his actions that led to the ban he would have left 4 games earlier. A full month passed between the Wycombe game and them dismissing him. I struggle to believe that an internal investigation would take that long and if they were genuinely so disgusted he would have been suspended during any investigation. While I agree with your assessment that they used it as a way to bin him off for poor form, a discipliniary process can take weeks. They probably waited for the FA report. Then gave notice of an internal hearing (minimum seven days?). Then a few days to make a decision. Then an appeals process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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