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  1. Yep - if only Norman Stoller was a Latics fan. He of the "tubular bandage" that used to be advertised on Mumps Bridge. Already given over £50m away via his charitable trusts.
  2. In my humble opinion, there is a benign coup d'etat going on here. Trust membership will increase from the pool of supporters who approve of the current regime and it will decrease amongst those people opposed to the current regime. The Trust will become a supportive entity of the owner. PTB may well become the representative body for disgruntled fans.
  3. The WHO estimates that between 290,000 and 650,000 respiratory deaths globally each year are associated with seasonal influenza. Public Health England estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 1,692 in 2018/19. Public Health England does not publish a mortality rate for the flu. "A bit rich about people talking bollocks, Matt - you say 500 died from flu - really? I`ll just stick to the facts - you stick to the fiction".
  4. Well , so far that Lancet article is way off the mark. Worldwide deaths from COVID 19 currently at circa 149,000 - which is circa 0.3% of those deaths attributed to Spanish flu.
  5. Magic Mikey - I`m not going to get all emotive. I`ve only ever talked about perspective. Globally there have now been over 28,000 deaths recorded from coronavirus. In the UK in 2014/15, just over 28,000 people died from the flu. That provides perspective. I repeat again - this is not going to be Armageddon.
  6. My wife is a nurse too - I don't usually mention her but again, Dave it provides context. She only has 25 years experience so not as experienced as your partner. My wife is not scared. She knows some nurses who are and some that aren't. Her view is that, as in all walks of life, you get different personalities. She works with 2 "drama queens" and she had a bet to herself that they would be the first to "self isolate" - and they were! They are still off and none stop on Facebook every day. Nurses are no different to the rest of the population - some are great - some are shite - some are drama queens - some aren't. It's the way it is - I appreciate your perspective, Dave. Please accept mine, even if you don't appreciate it. Oh - and fluffy (my obsessive mate mcfluff) - do you want to come and join our little team delivering food to the elderly? - we could do with some more drivers - or do you just want to sit on the sidelines as usual and snipe? If you want to join us, please pm me.
  7. Dave - I know. Over 600,000 people a year die in this country "normally" in any event. Again just for context i.e. it's not armageddon no matter how it pans out. I fully endorse protecting the vulnerable and am certainly doing my bit. I booed at the morons outside a certain pub last night who were having a "closing party" - utter twats and it's people like that that I wish it would wipe out. I still say to the vast majority of healthy people - stop letting the state and its media scare you half to death - you are not going to die! Peace to all, enough said on it now from me.
  8. Although you can be a proper _wat at times (particularly to poor old me) I agree with your underlying sentiment, Monty. Population growth (and how to prevent it) has actually been at the top of many government agendas for years (although in relative secret because of the obvious controversy and emotion it casues). I was on the razz in London once (I know, mcfluff is going to slate me again) with quite a high ranking diplomat. When having had a few pints of the "truth drug" he said something along the lines of, "We can recycle and go electric all we want in the UK - but in the final analysis, it won't make a jot of difference whilst humans are breeding like fucking rabbits. All these climate change activists can't see that the massive elephant in the room is the huge numbers of people on the planet, consuming huge amounts of energy, resources, food etc. It can't go on - we need to get to a stable population of around 3 billion tops." Controversial? Maybe. Truthful? Maybe.
  9. jorvik I do - of the 7%, the majority are also in recovery but their symptoms are classed as severe rather than "mild" (i.e. it's not per se a 7% death rate). The only source of information I use is the WHO site - which is superbly up to date and informative. I recommend it to everyone. Please understand, I am not minimalising the effect on the vulnerable and elderly (I`m currently helping out with shopping runs for an elderly complex). I just don't understand the horrible reaction from the majority of healthy people. I also don't understand "don't go in pubs" but effectively "you're alright packed like a sardine in a supermarket trying to get a tin of cat food whilst the arrogant, selfish fuckers all around you have their trolleys piled high with loo roll and beer"
  10. Hi rude - I deliberately chose 2014/15 because, as you say, it was a particularly bad year for flu deaths. Over 28,000 dead in the UK and yet nobody really heard anything about it and there was certainly no panic! In light of the facts as they stand, my brain simply cannot understand the current hysteria, doom, gloom and despondency. Normally, every day, around 1500 to 1600 people die in this country. So far, I think we've had 108 deaths from coronavirus. We've all heard from serious political and medical commentators that they hope to contain the death toll at around 20,000 here (and I accept they state that will be a reduced because of the measures they are taking). So, in light of that, it means the numbers of people who die might not actually be as bad as a "bad flu year" (e.g. 14/15). So why the completely irrational and over the top reaction from the media, huge swathes of the public etc.? It's a serious question, I`m not having a go at anyone, I just can't fathom it (and I also appreciate all death is sad, I`m just trying to provide context regarding numbers). I suspect the current reprehensible and completely OTT behaviour we are currently seeing from a large % of the population has its seeds in this age of social media and fake news. Too many thickos believe whatever is being tweeted, put on facebook or whatever, no matter how outlandish. In a cafe in Milnrow yesterday (not a pub mcfluff) I heard someone saying that "they are dropping like flies in London" and someone else said "if you can hold your breath for 10 seconds and not have any stabbing pains in your chest, you've not got coronavirus". They looked at me quite strange when I started laughing to myself and then challenged them politely on the bollocks they were spouting.
  11. Just to add a little bit of balance. Out of the known/tested coronavirus cases worldwide, 39% of people (circa 86,000) have already fully recovered with no ill effects. Another 54% (circa 120,000) have mild symptoms and are well on the way to recovery. Those percentages added together gives 93%. It's not something highlighted by the media very often.
  12. Cheers fluffy old pal. I fully accept I`m no medical expert at all, so I took your advice and spoke with a very senior chap (he's a professor and medical consultant) I know well who works at a regional centre for genomic medicine. We met in a bar in Alderley Edge last night (against current advice but it was his suggestion!). We weren't meeting to discuss the coronavirus but I thought I`d take the chance to pick his brains. He put my mind at rest. He said that, for the vast majority of people, the virus will present no great issues and people will get it, mostly with mild symptoms and fully recover. This aspect was not being stressed enough, particularly by the media, who he was absolutely scathing of for creating almost mass hysteria on an unwarranted scale. He also said there were very serious risks to vulnerable groups e.g. those with COPD, asthma and other similar underlying conditions - that is where the mortality rate will be at its highest. Other groups such as the elderly also have to be very careful. He said, presently, the overrall worldwide mortality rate was circa 1%, making it less deadlier than other viruses we have seen over recent times. However, those in higher medical circles believe the mortality rate will turn out to be lower as they know there will literally be tens of thousands of people across the world who have already had the virus, recovered and never been tested (thus bringing the mortality % rate down). In his opinion, if those fit and well largely got on with life as normal, whilst taking sensible hygiene precautions, then we would be okay. His main worry was that in this age of social media and journalistic scaremongering, those people who should not be bothering the system will do - because they believe all the hype. He gave the A&E analogy - he reckons around 60% to 70% of A&E users don't need A&E but the NHS refuses to address that problem. If the same things happen due to mass hysteria from coronavirus, then NHS simply implodes. I`m off to get some shopping for a 90 year old neighbour (seriously - not taking the piss) - suggest if we all act sensibly and look after the vulnerable, we'll get through in good spirit as best we can.
  13. Try to stop scaremongering. UK deaths from flu in 2014/15, for example, over 28,000 Jeez if we get anywhere near that figure (we're currently at 21 I believe) you will believe that Armageddon has actually arrived. When actually, it's very normal for a virus. Chill out man and stop stocking up on loo roll. I don't need to look up exponential thanks.
  14. We don't always agree 😵 simply but think you are right here. Me too. The only thing I`ll add to the debate is that I recall the scaremongerers telling us planes would fall out of the sky as a result of the "millennium bug" - turned out to be utter testicles. Recently we've had the scaremongerers telling us that leaving Europe would be an unmitigated disaster - utter testicles. And now the scaremongerers are having an absolute field day with "coronavirus" - and it will be utter testicles. By all means, take sensible precautions in protecting the vulnerable sectors as best we can; as for the rest of the population, let it wash through relatively harmlessly; because guess what - it sure as hell will no matter what anyone says or does. Oh - and doesn't it bring out the worst in the "me me" culture - horrible individuals clutching three months supply of toilet rolls - they make me puke - selfish bar stewards.
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