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Andy b

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  1. I. That’s i. Trust his judgement. I have no reason not to and having been hand picked by owners and a board I trust my default is to trust him also
  2. I trust unsworth’s judgement. Nothing more to say
  3. The trust has not even begun to debate whether it should be trying to purchase the ground so don’t hold your breath. Granted we don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes with blitz etc but it baffles me that the trust has not asked fans whether it should be looking to raise funds to buy the ground, club or both (in part or full).
  4. I’ve tried that. He’d rather snipe from the sidelines without offering a single bit of constructive guidance.
  5. Sorry. Time spent yes broadly relevant. How much personal money put in is not
  6. I 100% reject any suggestion that trust directors need to answer this question. Irrelevant.
  7. You say that as if rushing something out will get us more money in a shorter timeframe. How so? More speed less haste is, I think, the term.
  8. It benefits the credibility of the appeal for contributions if time is take to get the pitch right
  9. Fairly sure that could be managed through clear provisions which allow funds to be directed elsewhere should the need arise and as long as certain conditions are met. It’s woefully over simplistic at the moment and needs some proper legal input
  10. Just finished listening to the pod from after the Exeter game a few weeks back. Matt talks openly about the shortcomings of a ‘contingency fund’ as being far too generic and uninspiring to incentivise people to invest. I couldn’t agree more. I have considered setting up a significant monthly direct debit but won’t do so until there is some more clarity as to what we are raising money for. What’s the end game? A rainy day fund won’t cut it. I emailed the trust months ago and asked them to go out to fans and get a mandate from them around the idea of fan ownership (be for some of the club or ground or both) which is the logical purpose of any fund raising initiative. This would give the fund a clear objective which people can get behind. Fans may reject that aim but otherwise the trust has no authority to be asking for money without significant clarity as to its objective. I received no response whatsoever. i ask again. Why is money being raised?
  11. Its not good is it. This needs far more energy than is going into it. It’s playing second fiddle to I don’t know what within the trust. Shame.
  12. May I ask what the lottery is achieving by way of monthly net income at the moment?
  13. Great listen again chaps. Adult conversations about the issues and future effort to reclaim the faith. Thank you for sticking your necks out. One takeaway. Yes press the club for change and bemoan the fact that it can’t do simple things right - Billy’s insights were enlightening and those things need airing to get all fans (especially those still sitting on the fence) to see the regime for what it is. But do realise that the key reason for all of that is that the owner doesn’t give a shit about such things and never will. It’s disheartening to hear good people come up with good ideas which the owner is too stubborn and blinkered to listen to. He’s entrenched and is a lost cause. The basic administration of the club will fall apart further without Barry around who am sure held a lot together to ensure it could open on a match day, pies were available, the electricity stayed on etc - the absolute basics. I foresee a time fairly soon when even that won’t happen. We have to badger and appeal to AL as a tick box exercise and so he has got nowhere to go should he try and defend himself. But do so knowing that it won’t affect anything. The real cause is much bigger than that.
  14. That’s how I interpreted your cause for optimism Matt but I am not convinced Karl and the club would automatically see that particular movement as a reason in itself to be optimistic. debate has to move on what a fanbase can do to make a difference in the particular circumstances we face. There is no one size fits all model for fan influence. Horses for courses and I would say the baseline circumstances we find ourselves in are not great in that regard
  15. Agree that that was disappointing. It’s one thing accepting that things are on hold a little but one would expect the parties to be getting their ducks in a row to enable the sale to progress expediently when the world opens up again. Difficult to blame Karl for that though. He doesn’t hold the purse strings.
  16. What would be classed as reasonable indicators of progress, which someone can be fairly expected to have made, in a three month period? not saying I disagree with you.
  17. There was also some coverage of the AL interview and limitations of AL’s English speaking skills both in engaging with fans and indeed in communicating with staff and at board level. Just an idea but as an owner of an English football club, with English speaking employees with whom he needs to engage, I wonder if AL might have sought to improve his English during his 3+ year involvement with the club to date. Not saying he hasn’t but he cant and shouldn’t be defended on the basis of a poor grasp of the English language
  18. Listened to the full 2 hours with Karl. In brief my observations: 1) great podcast shining a light on critical issues and giving the club, supporters and groups an effective and well managed platform for debate. Great means of feeding back to the club, as long as the quality on the guests is maintained at the current level. Beats social media shouting any day 2) Matt’s a great chair. Fair and balanced 3) I can see that via various channels - the podcast, PTB and the Trust’s comms with the club (yes!) - the club is hearing some consistent messages from fans. For the large part i believe fans have started to reach a general consensus about the issues at the club that they perceive and, through these channels, have been able to articulate these issues on a consistent basis so the messages land. There may not be a consistent view on the solution (AL out at one end of the spectrum and a more pragmatic position at the other) but that’s perhaps another matter. However i think the increasingly common position fans are taking on what the issues are translates to a consistency in what the club is hearing from fans, especially now that more professional and formal routes for feeding back (PTB etc) exist. This is really important. The absence of such a consensus (in defining the issues) and the absence of effective channels to communicate those issues to the club has been a real constraint to effective fan action in the past - the corney regime being the best illustration of that where 50 per cent of the fan base didn’t even believe there were any issues. Corney was able to get away with stripping and managing the decline of the club as a result and was barely challenged. Our current owners aren’t smart enough to manage and manipulate our fans thankfully. 4) I quite like Karl and have a lot of sympathy for the position he is in and what he has inherited. He’s on a hiding to nothing in many respects and I particular don’t envy him in trying to win over fans - and there are a large number of these - who will never offer any goodwill and just want to criticise. That’s a not uncommon trait of oldham fans. He is naive at times though and needs to understand the psyche of oldham fans and what damage nearly 30 years of decline has inflicted. He should set his expectations about what sort of response he gets accordingly. That said, he is within his rights to express disappointment that some of the good stuff falls on deaf ears. I think the criticism of the badge and kit stuff was a good example. He was clearly trying and didn’t do much wrong in the way he went about it in my view. Not sure why he got such a kick in for that to be honest. Great work Matt
  19. Listened to the full 2 hours with Karl. In brief my observations: 1) great podcast shining a light on critical issues and giving the club, supporters and groups an effective and well managed platform for debate. Great means of feeding back to the club, as long as the quality on the guests is maintained at the current level. Beats social media shouting any day 2) Matt’s a great chair. Fair and balanced 3) I can see that via various channels - the podcast, PTB and the Trust’s comms with the club (yes!) - the club is hearing some consistent messages from fans. For the large part i believe fans have started to reach a general consensus about the issues at the club that they perceive and, through these channels, have been able to articulate these issues on a consistent basis so the messages land. There may not be a consistent view on the solution (AL out at one end of the spectrum and a more pragmatic position at the other) but that’s perhaps another matter. However i think the increasingly common position fans are taking on what the issues are translates to a consistency in what the club is hearing from fans, especially now that more professional and formal routes for feeding back (PTB etc) exist. This is really important. The absence of such a consensus (in defining the issues) and the absence of effective channels to communicate those issues to the club has been a real constraint to effective fan action in the past - the corney regime being the best illustration of that where 50 per cent of the fan base didn’t even believe there were any issues. Corney was able to get away with stripping and managing the decline of the club as a result and was barely challenged. Our current owners aren’t smart enough to manage and manipulate our fans thankfully. 4) I quite like Karl and have a lot of sympathy for the position he is in and what he has inherited. He’s on a hiding to nothing in many respects and I particular don’t envy him in trying to win over fans - and there are a large number of these - who will never offer any goodwill and just want to criticise. That’s a not uncommon trait of oldham fans. He is naive at times though and needs to understand the psyche of oldham fans and what damage nearly 30 years of decline has inflicted. He should set his expectations about what sort of response he gets accordingly. That said, he is within his rights to express disappointment that some of the good stuff falls on deaf ears. I think the criticism of the badge and kit stuff was a good example. He was clearly trying and didn’t do much wrong in the way he went about it in my view. Not sure why he got such a kick in for that to be honest. Great work Matt
  20. If that’s the reason he is frozen out then I think that’s fair enough. Wasn’t mentioned by Karl though
  21. The on pitch merits of DW isnt going anywhere as a debate. However, given the relative inexperience of our squad, to have a situation where a player with the experience (and presumably professionalism) of DW is frozen out seems, at best, a real shame. At worst it is damaging to our ability to compete in this league. That’s the spectrum and I am sure the vast majority of fans sit between these too extremes. I would have thought our team could benefit from his presence in and around the squad, whether he plays every week or not. But what do I know? Well I don’t trust our owners so I am far from convinced that their freezing out of DW has been done on reasonable grounds and for the benefit of the club. The over riding point is that it concerns me (and I think a good number of fans as well) that it keeps happening. When you add up the players that have been frozen out in a similar manner, the willingness on the part of the owner to keep doing this can only be holding us back as a team.
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