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You seriously don't want to contemplate hitting rock bottom and starting again, non league football is soul destroying, seeing the away end empty week after week and travelling to places like Brackley, Eastleigh and Spennymoor is something I wouldn't recommend to anyone, you don't know how good league football is until you lose it.

As a County fan with a genuine soft spot for Latics I worry for you, I know that wasn't your strongest 11 but I expected to see more individual quality even if it's too early to see a cohesive unit, Stott was excellent for us albeit at a lower level but he looked lost yesterday. Then again I've seen us have great pre-seasons in the past and call apart when the real business starts, anyway good luck and KTF.

I think you need to send Stott back to County for a season.

When we dropped out of the league we averaged 4700 and I'd say we're about 1000 less now, the last couple of games saw over 6000 in attendance so we've managed to hold up well but it's been 8 years non league now. I reckon your crowds will hold up because like us it's what you do on a Saturday, no matter how much crap you're dealt you'll take it on the chin because it's your club, I also think it could be a blessing in disguise as you'd gone stale in that division. Dropping down could see you regenerate and if you go back up you'll have some momentum which you've not had for years, anyway good luck.

If Blyth makes you shudder you've never been to Brackley, Spennymoor or North Ferriby, it's pure glamour down here.

He's been good for us after a shaky start, it's a real shame with the play offs coming up and he was buzzing after the win at Blyth when I spoke to him in Blyth's social club, good luck to the lad.

Really? I've seen every game he's played at County and while he's got a bit of pace he's been wasteful with his final ball, I do like his attitude though as he keeps on plugging away.

I don't really want to go through all of your "facts" one by one but I thought it right to pick up on those particular points, the different cultures are irrelevant as we do have shared values such as human rights and democracy, I agree with you about the gravy train aspect and that could be fixed without us leaving and swapping the EU gravy train for the home grown version. As for language I was merely pointing out that it was not the issue you were making it out to be.

It is a good post but his points clearly show that he's someone on the other side who doesn't want to listen, like most of us he's made his mind up and will continue make the case for brexit as the country goes into serious decline. I find it a bit sad that he can't see how different cultures can co-exist, he also mentions different languages being unable to co-exist, well the rest of Europe appear to have met us more than half way on that one.

The one thing this thread has taught me is that the original poll with the majority in favour of remain shows that the posters on here are more intelligent than the average Oldhamer so I think congratulations are in order.

Definitely not but true all the same Definitely not but true all the same.

This is an excellent piece which sums up the mess quite well. http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07/14/everything-you-need-to-know-about-theresa-may-s-brexit

They're a great example of what can be achieved on small gates, it gives us all hope.

I've always wanted to stay in, I'd love to see us being a lot more enthusiastic and take a leading role rather than constantly having hissy fits about everything.

Everyone with any credibility wants us to remain in for all those things you've mentioned, Gove and Johnson are just positioning themselves for Cameron's job if we end up voting out, it's a gamble but one of them will get it if the outers win. In the early 80s when we were in one of our frequent recessions I along with thousands of others went to work on German building sites, I find it pretty distasteful that people are now objecting to East Europeans doing the same here.