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A lot of righteous and strong opinions on here about Ched Evans.

 

I am curious about how many of these people are highly knowledgeable about the details of the case or it it just blind faith in the judicial system that is spurring these emotions?

 

If it's the latter then your confidence in a court to reach the correct conclusion is far stronger than my own. If it's the former then I welcome any facts that might convince me that you are correct to feel this way.

 

As it stands I hold no beliefs on this matter.

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I'd agree a horrible precedent was set with Barry's pursuit and signing of Lee Hughes; one which TBH i think has forever sullied our club.

But - IMO, we'd plumb new depths if we signed Evans.

 

We wont though, so its a moot point really...

 

Plumb new depths?

 

Are you saying that what Evans has been convicted of doing is lower than what Hughes did? Or were you insinuating that if we signed him it would add to our poor reputation, having already Hughes and that the compounding effect would sink us lower?

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Plumb new depths?

 

Are you saying that what Evans has been convicted of doing is lower than what Hughes did? Or were you insinuating that if we signed him it would add to our poor reputation, having already Hughes and that the compounding effect would sink us lower?

Absolutely yes IMO.

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Plumb new depths?

 

Are you saying that what Evans has been convicted of doing is lower than what Hughes did? Or were you insinuating that if we signed him it would add to our poor reputation, having already Hughes and that the compounding effect would sink us lower?

What you said last.

 

Signed a hit & runner, then go and sign a rapist.

We'd be in the news all over again...

We :censored:ed up with Hughes for sure; and i wouldnt want that again with Evans.

 

How do you compare which is the worse crime? Its impossible really. Both are diplorable human beings for what they've done; but how do you rank them? Is a hit & run whilst under the influence worse than raping an past-out young lady? It's not minging human being top trumps.

 

Look how much debate this thread has triggered already.

Imagine signing him and seeing the posts then...

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A lot of righteous and strong opinions on here about Ched Evans.

 

I am curious about how many of these people are highly knowledgeable about the details of the case or it it just blind faith in the judicial system that is spurring these emotions?

 

If it's the latter then your confidence in a court to reach the correct conclusion is far stronger than my own. If it's the former then I welcome any facts that might convince me that you are correct to feel this way.

 

As it stands I hold no beliefs on this matter.

Conviction rates are famously low in rape cases, especially this type where the defence argues consent was given. How did his appeals through the courts go? And re: your point below, what did IS morally more culpable than Hughes although the outcome of Hughes' actions were worse.
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Plumb new depths?

 

Are you saying that what Evans has been convicted of doing is lower than what Hughes did? Or were you insinuating that if we signed him it would add to our poor reputation, having already Hughes and that the compounding effect would sink us lower?

Poor reputation? Who do we have a poor reputation with

 

I believe we are a very well respected club. If every club was damned because they signed a player based off his past or crimes they had commited it would be a poor league. Blackpool, Swindon, Notts County, Plymouth, Watford and Man United, Man City, Newcastle just to name a few have signed players with a less than clean background.

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Yes. He tweeted:

 

"The law is a load of :censored:ing :censored:. I'm with you geez."

 

"Money grabbing little tramp"

 

"If ur a slag ur a slag dont try to get money from being a slag...Stupid girls... I feel sick"

 

He's a class act, all right.

Paul Black tweeted this a few months back

 

@paul_black3: Emotional day visiting a close friend in prison! @ChedEvans09 not long left mate! #justiceforched

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Yes, i would have him, he may be a :censored: ( alledgedly ! as i believe he has always maintained his innocence) but he has served his sentence and i don't believe that everyone here should take on the role of moral guardian for a football club.

Just saying like .

 

Pretty much irrelevant what we all think though, as it is never going to happen.

If by :censored: you in fact mean rapist then yes, he is.

 

It must follow from my faith in the verdict that I should also have faith in the punishment handed and served. However, in cases like this I believe the FA/Football League should have a clear policy that if he returned to football he would for the remainder of his career bring the integrity of the game into disrepute. The role of a sports person or athlete carries far greater responsibility than performances alone.

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If by :censored: you in fact mean rapist then yes, he is.

 

It must follow from my faith in the verdict that I should also have faith in the punishment handed and served. However, in cases like this I believe the FA/Football League should have a clear policy that if he returned to football he would for the remainder of his career bring the integrity of the game into disrepute. The role of a sports person or athlete carries far greater responsibility than performances alone.

I don't think there should be special rules for footballers or other sportspeople. Same business sense applies though, it would be a brave or stupid company that wanted a rapist as one of it's public faces. Ive said before, what do you do when you meet him at the end of year bash? Give him a hug, or keep a beady eye on him. Serving the prison time was never about just serving the sentence, your record has consequences.
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I'd guess it's something Brown regrets and probably did so when it cost him his position at his football club.

He might regret going public but I doubt he regrets what he said. He believed was friend was innocent. If he still believes that, however malicious it sounded, he's still going to have those feelings.

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He might regret going public but I doubt he regrets what he said. He believed was friend was innocent. If he still believes that, however malicious it sounded, he's still going to have those feelings.

Maybe, maybe not. I think the problem with the reaction isn't so much what they thought he did, but what they thought it was ok to do. Hence a girl they decided was a groupie was team property and it didn't need an invite to :censored: her, her being a slag and all. Hopefully most of them have had real experiences with women (or men) who they actually have for respect and learnt from that.
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Maybe, maybe not. I think the problem with the reaction isn't so much what they thought he did, but what they thought it was ok to do. Hence a girl they decided was a groupie was team property and it didn't need an invite to :censored: her, her being a slag and all. Hopefully most of them have had real experiences with women (or men) who they actually have for respect and learnt from that.

Think Johnson said over the summer that he wasn't concerned about Connor Brown misbehaving over the summer, due to Connor's girlfriend who keeps him in line. As Connor seems to go on holiday with Danny Philliskirk a lot, I can't see Danny Philliskirk misbehaving either.

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Think Johnson said over the summer that he wasn't concerned about Connor Brown misbehaving over the summer, due to Connor's girlfriend who keeps him in line. As Connor seems to go on holiday with Danny Philliskirk a lot, I can't see Danny Philliskirk misbehaving either.

With Tony as his dad, you'd think Danny's got his head screwed on.
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With Tony as his dad, you'd think Danny's got his head screwed on.

He had Joe Cole as his mentor, so he'll know how to jump out of an upstairs window into a sharp hedge in your pants after having half the :censored: beaten out of you by the boyfriend of the Page 3 girl who you were entertaining.
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Maybe, maybe not. I think the problem with the reaction isn't so much what they thought he did, but what they thought it was ok to do. Hence a girl they decided was a groupie was team property and it didn't need an invite to :censored: her, her being a slag and all. Hopefully most of them have had real experiences with women (or men) who they actually have for respect and learnt from that.

 

It is all about perception, interpretation and defining personal boundaries. There are many people, not just on here who will have different interpretations of the convictions of both Hughes and Evans and whether or not they should be allowed to rebuild their lives following said convictions.

Both cases involve certain levels of intoxication by mind (perception) altering substances. In the case of Hughes, it was he alone; In the Evans case, both he and Mcdonald were probably drunk from the effects of alcohol and/or high from other substances and the girl was admittedly tipsy; although she may or may not have had her drinks spiked by either of the other two or both. Only the three involved know.

 

I have had a love affair with alcohol (the term alcohol abuse is bandied around far to freely these days) and the occasional weekend weed for the best part of forty years so it would be hypocritical of me to preach to others on the pros and cons of either. I started setting personal boundaries following my arrest for being drunk and disorderly in the Westwood area on my 18th birthday (I still shake my head at how close I was to being exceedingly stupid. Had I connected when taking a swing at a cop, I would have probably have discovered how to pack snooker balls into socks as part of my Friday night ritual) and I have been fine-tuning them ever since. If I know I am going to be getting :censored:faced, it is predominately in a controlled environment. When my wife tells me that I am a happy drunk and an even happier stoner, (Thank you Lancaster Uni), I know that I have done at least one thing right over the countless years of intoxication. The unwritten rule in the household here which refreshingly, is upheld by all of our friends, is that if anyone comes over and gets drunk, they stay. If there is no room, they stay on the patio!

 

Hughes believed that he was in a fit state to drive. He wasnt. Evans allegedly believed that the girl consented. Whether or not it is genuinely true, it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt given the evidence to hand that she had not, irrespective of his perception.

 

Had Hughes and Evans clearly defined their personal boundaries with a little more precision, their perception and interpretation of each of their respective situations could have been completely different. I say could, an none of us can be absolutely certain.

 

One of the more pleasing aspects of this thread is the noticeable shift in attitude of males toward women. Don't get me wrong, beautiful women will always be objects of sexual desire to males that way inclined, in much the same way that males with perfect physiques represent the same to women no matter what era we live in. The girl in the Evans case could well have been a prostitute, a porn star or, as velcro boots suggested, a slag. But rape is categorically off the table so to speak. As Leeslover indicates, the respect and attitude toward women in general as not only equals but as human beings is growing and long may it continue.

 

However, as with anything, change takes two. My wife and I often stop for coffee after a ridiculously unnecessary long day of trudging round the same shops for hours and hours and sit down and people watch during the coffee break. We pass complimentary comments and guess what they do based on their appearance and body language etc. I know that it is stereotypical and it is possibly bordering on stalking/voyeurism, but it is fun and helps us wind down from the mind numbing trudge; sometimes, one of us will actually get up the courage to go and ask them! Anyhoo, one day, I passed comment on a girl's legs. Nothing derogatory, they were perfect. Think Chloe Bruce only longer. My wife went to the toilet at which point this elderly woman came up to our table and dressed me down in front of the coffee shop for treating women like a piece of meat. It wasn't until Trace returned and explained that she calmed down. As regular customers, we know most of the staff and the owner, who is a large lady, always asks me how her legs look today.

 

Perception, interpretation and boundaries. Oh, and stupidity.

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Hughes believed that he was in a fit state to drive. He wasnt. Evans allegedly believed that the girl consented. Whether or not it is genuinely true, it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt given the evidence to hand that she had not, irrespective of his perception.

 

I'm not sure Evans was too concerned whether she consented or not. He wasnt with Mcdonald when he met the woman, he was at his parents' house when mcdonald texted him saying "I've got a bird" and he replied with "can I get involved?". Not "is she up for a threesome" or anything about whether the woman was interested in a stranger tagging along and joining in, apparently it was entirely his mate's decision whether he could have sex with a woman he "got". The cctv footage from the hotel reception showed that the woman couldn't stand up and the footage from Ched Evans' brother's phone (and it's a worrying insight into their mentality that he thought filming it through the window was fine) was presented as evidence by the prosecution that she wasn't "up for it" as he suggested. Sneaking out of your mum and dad's house at 1am and climbing up the fire escape of a hotel to :censored: an unconscious woman who your mate picked up in a takeaway at the end of a night out is more than an error of judgement, it's predatory. Edited by rosa
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The cctv footage from the hotel reception showed that the woman couldn't stand up.

The footage you speak of shows the girl getting out of the taxi in heels, walking in to the hotel and then walking back outside to crouch down to the ground to pick up a pizza box they left outside and then walked back inside arm in arm with Mcdonald. Someone who could not stand up would not be able to do that unaided.

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The footage you speak of shows the girl getting out of the taxi in heels, walking in to the hotel and then walking back outside to crouch down to the ground to pick up a pizza box they left outside and then walked back inside arm in arm with Mcdonald. Someone who could not stand up would not be able to do that unaided.

Ah right. I wasn't in court and didn't see the footage, I was going off the press coverage of the evidence and the hotel receptionist's testimony. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/apr/20/ched-evans-found-guilty-rape

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