TheBigDog Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Well by that logic, the reason we've half a chance of staying up is down to the man at the top and no one else, then!! Agreed. The buck stops with Simon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simoncorneyisgod Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) Can't remember which game it was (Scunthorpe Away?) but Sheridan came out afterwards and publicly backed Coleman as his No. 1 That my friends is how you manage the situation he was in and the player. The turnaround in performance of Coleman since then has been dramatic to say the least due to 1. Having less to do thanks to the organisation of the players in front of him and 2. Doing what he had to do with confidence culminating in an excellent display yesterday. It all comes back to man management Edited April 10, 2016 by Simoncorneyisgod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 I saw nothing in Dunn from day one, as it transpired he was devisive and without a doubt would of taken us down, that fact people defend him is beyond me, he was as out of his depth as Kelly, slithered his way into the job and talked the talk but thankfully was found out. Many agreed early in Dunn's tenure that it was unlikely to work: he was the wrong appointment for the situation; it was contrived and uncalibrated. The difference between you and them was that those gave him a chance to prove himself, and you were prejudiced - you can't judge a manager from day one; if you could then Kelly looked impressive after the Walsall away game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paw4 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Coleman is a very good young goalkeeper and a tremendous prospect, he will make mistakes and he will learn from them, he was a revelation last season, earlier this season we had a very poor defensive set up which to say the least had no confidence, this lack of confidence also affected the goalkeepers, make a mistake and the other ones put in, no real run of games to build your confidence back up, Shez's sorted that out by standing by Coleman. MOM against Walsall for me, four important saves/interceptions early on to keep is in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Don't go overboard he's improved but is nowhere near the best option for next year. Although today he made a couple of good saves and actually caught one when we were under pressure If he keeps this up til the end of the season he might well go for money in the summer. Big clubs do seem to collect young goalkeepers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scapegoat Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Earlier in the season, Coleman did seem like a liability and justifiably at the time took some criticism. Difficult circumstances for a new, young and wet behind the ears keeper - team low on confidence, inadequate back four in front of you etc - but we are not a charity and there were times that the lad's "learning curve" cost us points that we couldn't afford to lose. At that time people were, IMO, rightly critical of him and were calling for a more experienced keeper to come in. Sheridan, however decided that he had enough to do alright and that the better option was publically back him and improve the team in front of him. At the time I wasn't sure that this was ideal, but if we had limited number of players that we could bring in, then I probably agreed I'd prefer to have Gerrard than another keeper. Sheridan was spot on, and based on the last few games it seems as though Coleman has really come on in leaps and bounds. I'd say in terms of next season, id take the same approach. Keep him as number one and improve the rest of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagger Lee Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) So what do we do next season - 1) Get an old keeper / (and maybe coach) on the understanding that unless there is a major dip in his form Coleman will be number 1 ? 2) Same as above but have Coleman on the bench waiting for a chance like most young keepers? 3) Do we get a bargain basement keeper to challenge Coleman every step of the way? Edited April 10, 2016 by Stagger Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scapegoat Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 So what do we do next season - 1) Get an old keeper / (and maybe coach) on the understanding that unless there is a major dip in his form Coleman will be number 1 ? 2) Same as above but have Coleman on the bench waiting for a chance like most young keepers? 3) Do we get a bargain basement keeper to challenge Coleman every step of the way? The obvious one for me is (1), but if the cost of that means that we don't have a Palmer / Gerrard type in the team then (3) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 So what do we do next season - 1) Get an old keeper / (and maybe coach) on the understanding that unless there is a major dip in his form Coleman will be number 1 ? 2) Same as above but have Coleman on the bench waiting for a chance like most young keepers? 3) Do we get a bargain basement keeper to challenge Coleman every step of the way? Option 3 our good form has been built on a strong defence use the budget for the top end of the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 If we stay up I doubt we'll be budgeting for a promotion push, so Coleman with a good defence in front will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Why are people so desperate to change any of the core squad we have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Why are people so desperate to change any of the core squad we have? Because half of our core arent our players and they are the better players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Because half of our core arent our players and they are the better playersPartially agree, but even the loanees aren't good enough for some and the players we thought were good last summer have mostly shown that they are. I can't see why we wouldn't want to keep much as we are if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scapegoat Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Why are people so desperate to change any of the core squad we have? Because the core of this squad has not achieved significantly in the last two years, the better players aren't ours, and despite good results we are still lacking the quality to dominate teams. JS has made us hard to beat, and able to grind out results, but that is different to being a quality side capable of pushing for Play-Offs or better. Am sure Shez knows this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Because the core of this squad has not achieved significantly in the last two years, the better players aren't ours, and despite good results we are still lacking the quality to dominate teams. JS has made us hard to beat, and able to grind out results, but that is different to being a quality side capable of pushing for Play-Offs or better. Am sure Shez knows this. I was including the loanees to be fair. It would be lovely to hear a top goal scorer for example but we are winning games with Main and Holloway pressing high. If that's a working model that's fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 So what do we do next season - 1) Get an old keeper / (and maybe coach) on the understanding that unless there is a major dip in his form Coleman will be number 1 ? 2) Same as above but have Coleman on the bench waiting for a chance like most young keepers? 3) Do we get a bargain basement keeper to challenge Coleman every step of the way? 4). Promote Renshaw as number 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 4). Promote Renshaw as number 2. how long is Cornell contracted for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philliggi Posted April 10, 2016 Author Share Posted April 10, 2016 Too long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 how long is Cornell contracted for? This year plus option for a second - I would imagine it would take a night at the dogs and a monumental hangover for Shez to take up that option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Spot on. Kelly Dunn and Holden did their best, they just weren't up to the job. The reason we've been so deep in the :censored:e this season is down to the man at the top, no one else. Well by that logic, the reason we've half a chance of staying up is down to the man at the top and no one else, then!!I think it fair to say Gerrard was 90% Simon Corney's singing too... Which has led to Coleman improving no end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 12 clean sheets in 28 appearances this season - 43% Pogs had 20 clean sheets in 43 appearances in his record breaking season - 47% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latics_Fanatic Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 is Coleman under contract next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 is Coleman under contract next season? No but he is under 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scapegoat Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 12 clean sheets in 28 appearances this season - 43% Pogs had 20 clean sheets in 43 appearances in his record breaking season - 47% Pretty impressive. 8 of those under Sheridan and I think, of those 7 of them behind a defence with Gerrard in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueatheart Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I think it still comes to a shock to a lot of fans that our defence is top six standard. Before you start laughing, we have conceded fewer goals this season than anyone outside the top seven. Add Coleman into the mix with a good amount more experience than he has had and you can probably knock three or four goals off that total as mistakes. Admittedly, it has been since Gerrard came in but he isn't alone in defence. J Wilson, B Wilson, Lafferty, Dummigan and Dieng have all played well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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