kowenicki Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Just now, lookersstandandy said: Yep...... however the share capital update would indicate Corney retains some share....!?!? Probably/possibly. We don’t know yet, so best to just wait and see than speculate and argue for another 100 pages... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Probably/possibly. We don’t know yet, so best to just wait and see than speculate and argue for another 100 pages... ? Nah, this is a message board. If AL doesn’t wanna ka-myoo-ni-kate then speculation is fair game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, kowenicki said: No surprises here for me regarding the Trust and it’s ‘influence’ As for the rest, I don’t think we have full info on the share allocation do we? Jumping the gun. SandyLaneSmoker seems to think he knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, deyres42 said: SandyLaneSmoker seems to think he knows... How? Well, if he does then he can link us to the info I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 18 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: Nah, this is a message board. If AL doesn’t wanna ka-myoo-ni-kate then speculation is fair game. Fair enough. I’ll pitch in occasionally... if only to aggravate people. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 6 hours ago, ChaddySmoker said: Tracy there is a massive difference between Directors having a vote and shares with voting rights, Hi chaddy, Simon Brooke votes, he also has a legal responsibilities with the rest of the board of directors with regards to the club begin run as a business and all the consequences that come with it to. examples being, if the HMRC outcome is the club owe money then he with the rest of the board are legally responsible for it and can be chased for it. Consulted on/to vote on any extra agreed finaces begin taken out against the club Allowed to see the books of the business and sign off on them yearly before submissions to company house He even voted to the proposed change of ownership. Probabably more important stuff too.. He is a director of the business of OAFC has all the responsibilities of that business he votes and it's an equal parity....honest, to me it makes sense if you are going to have all that responsibilities then you need to have a say/vote. I am sure LL and Jorvik can explain it better. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, kowenicki said: How? Well, if he does then he can link us to the info I suppose. 1 hour ago, deyres42 said: SandyLaneSmoker seems to think he knows... 1 hour ago, kowenicki said: Probably/possibly. We don’t know yet, so best to just wait and see than speculate and argue for another 100 pages... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 1 hour ago, kowenicki said: No surprises here for me regarding the Trust and it’s ‘influence’ As for the rest, I don’t think we have full info on the share allocation do we? Jumping the gun. I'm sorry can you clarify influence? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 7 hours ago, singe said: Thanks Tracy, much appreciated, a really important clarification. I must admit it goes whoosh over my head and although they'd are cat B shares at companies house. It's the articles of association that gives the trust do equal partity to vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 56 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said: Mission accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 11 hours ago, kowenicki said: Mission accomplished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 According to this - https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/club/contact-us/ OWNERSHIP STATEMENT COMPANY DETAILS Oldham Athletic (2004) AFC Ltd. Registered in England: Company Number: 4989487 VAT Registered Number: 831 8971 04 Abdallah Lemsagam holds 97% of share capital. Declaration under Regulation 105 of The Football League Limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanGrovesFanClub Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 42 minutes ago, jorvik_latic said: According to this - https://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/club/contact-us/ OWNERSHIP STATEMENT COMPANY DETAILS Oldham Athletic (2004) AFC Ltd. Registered in England: Company Number: 4989487 VAT Registered Number: 831 8971 04 Abdallah Lemsagam holds 97% of share capital. Declaration under Regulation 105 of The Football League Limited. I think the Companies House filings are just out of date. Yes, they have filed the form SH01 to show that more shares were issued, but I think the info on who holds the shares is old. The Confirmation Statement (Annual Return showing shareholders etc.) was done on 9th Dec 2017 and had "no updates" for the year. The law has now been changed to say that if you have a new PSC (Person with Significant Control) you have to declare it to Companies House straight away, rather than when you file your next Confirmation Statement, but they may not realise that - I only found out by accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 25 minutes ago, AlanGrovesFanClub said: I think the Companies House filings are just out of date. Yes, they have filed the form SH01 to show that more shares were issued, but I think the info on who holds the shares is old. The Confirmation Statement (Annual Return showing shareholders etc.) was done on 9th Dec 2017 and had "no updates" for the year. The law has now been changed to say that if you have a new PSC (Person with Significant Control) you have to declare it to Companies House straight away, rather than when you file your next Confirmation Statement, but they may not realise that - I only found out by accident. Interesting. But the Companies house filing was dated as from 24th Jan 2018, and was received by Companies House on 6th March 2018, so not out of date. It does not state who owned the 50%, and given the timescales only AL surely.? AL is listed as a Director from 24th Jan https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04989487/officers The takeover was announced on 26th Jan, so only 2 days different, and seems likely the timescale was correthttps://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04989487/filing-history/MzE5OTM3MTk1MWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0 We have a knack of not doing things straightforwardly don't we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanGrovesFanClub Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 19 minutes ago, singe said: Interesting. But the Companies house filing was dated as from 24th Jan 2018, and was received by Companies House on 6th March 2018, so not out of date. The takeover was announced on 26th Jan, so only 2 days different, and seems likely the timescale was correthttps://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04989487/filing-history/MzE5OTM3MTk1MWFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0 Hi Singe, here are the latest filings as per Companies House Beta service. The Confirmation Statement says that it was "made on 9 December 2017 with no updates". And the SH01 only shows how many shares were issued and doesn't say who owns them. Edit: if you view the PDF of the Confirmation Statement it says that it was received via electronic filing on 1st March but the "as at" date for the report was 9th Dec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Corney's address in the people section is amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nohairdontcare Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be worried about in any of this, to be honest... I think I'll get back to just looking forward to the game on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Nohairdontcare said: I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be worried about in any of this, to be honest... I think I'll get back to just looking forward to the game on Saturday. Well if you were worried about this there is nowt you can do about it just like it has been for years thru the various ownwerships, so yes-bring on Saturday afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 46 minutes ago, opinions4u said: Corney's address in the people section is amusing. I thought the same, I even went as far a googling the addresses the one in New York is a dodgy looking row of shops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 hours ago, opinions4u said: Corney's address in the people section is amusing. Not ideal for generating business I'd have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyboy55555 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Gawbie said: Its interesting googling all the addresses on there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 hours ago, dannyboy55555 said: Its interesting googling all the addresses on there! I’m gonna take your word on that ! You know you can see boobs on the internet and all sorts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 9 hours ago, Nohairdontcare said: I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be worried about in any of this, to be honest... I think I'll get back to just looking forward to the game on Saturday. Me neither. Time to lock the thread and enjoy the ride. Starting tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsmarra Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 11 hours ago, dannyboy55555 said: Its interesting googling all the addresses on there! Absolutely fascinating. Most Directors don't put their home addresses on Companies House if they have any sense. They either use their companies trading address or an "Accomodation Address" where their company is registered. This is entirely legal and Protects the home/familly address from crank mail and attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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