latics22 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, League one forever said: One thing that doesn’t add up is the fact we have zero staff, and we sacked our assistant manager the other week. When he’s asked about this, or various other fall outs. He always says ‘the club comes first/it’s for the good of the club. When i I first heard him saying that I found it really refreshing, now it’s sounds like a clever way of saying it’s my way or f**k off. Which is his prerogative, but how can having no staff and no assistant manager be for the good of the club. . . ? Depends if ur manger is Dunn and assitant is dean Holden maybe you are better of with none ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 3 hours ago, lookersstandandy said: These were the only games in Tier 2 - across 3 seasons - that topped 10k, following our relegation from Tier 1..... but you have to consider the context of stop the rot & the product on the pitch. With the right facilities, match day experience and a Plan/ethos the populous of Oldham can buy into..... I don't see any reason - today - that we couldn't aim for 15k+..... Date Day Tier Opponent Attendance 27/08/1994 Sat 2 Burnley 11,310 26/12/1994 Mon 2 Wolves 11,962 05/04/1995 Wed 2 Middlesbrough 11,024 29/04/1995 Sat 2 Bolton 11,901 12/08/1995 Sat 2 Huddersfield 10,259 30/04/1996 Tue 2 Stoke 10,271 21/12/1996 Sat 2 Manchester City 12,992 19/04/1997 Sat 2 Bolton 10,702 I'm not convinced - as I say, this was nearly 30 years ago. I reckon thousands of them are just not available to return anymore. What is proved here is that many fans very quickly packed it in when things started to go South! You might be right - we might be able to command 15k one day, but I don't think historical evidence is much proof of that. AL would have to tap into a whole new, massive, group that I'm not sure even exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbaneblue Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Success and good football will bring fans back, that’s a fact, I Saw attendances rise through 80s and 90s, it will happen Again if we get a decent team on the pitch playing consistent good stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 55 minutes ago, JoeP said: I'm not convinced - as I say, this was nearly 30 years ago. I reckon thousands of them are just not available to return anymore. What is proved here is that many fans very quickly packed it in when things started to go South! You might be right - we might be able to command 15k one day, but I don't think historical evidence is much proof of that. AL would have to tap into a whole new, massive, group that I'm not sure even exists. When I started going mid 80's crowds were very similar to what you see now, within a few years and a couple of years of success they were queuing round the block for tickets and were having to turn fans away, fans that packed it in were only on the bandwagon anyway, on field success in the form of promotion is our only real hope of turning a corner and attracting fans back particularly fickle ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Don’t forget how many people used to come to tbe match from places like Coppice, Werneth and St Mary’s. I don’t think we have potential supporters there anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 20 hours ago, kowenicki said: Agreed. Saying the guy is a "charlatan" in every discussion about him and "I don't believe a fucking word he says"... does that count as firm and fair objectivity? I don't think I've ever used the word "charlatan" in my life and I actually said "I don't believe a word the guys mouth," so don't try and make my post sound more aggressive than it actually was. It's a forum for fans' opinion. My opinion is that I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Monty Burns said: Don’t forget how many people used to come to tbe match from places like Coppice, Werneth and St Mary’s. I don’t think we have potential supporters there anymore. Then create attractive facilities (Cap Ex required).... primarily focused around families, price a family package sensibly & market to them (More Cap Ex) using multi media formats with a well crafted series of messages, as the community alternative to the greedy excess of the premier league. It would be helpful if we were competing at the top end of whatever league we were in at that time (Final Cap Ex). It’s not hard. It just takes a Plan..... and some money. What I don’t get is why anyone would buy a football club and then cry poverty. Don’t fkin buy it if you can’t afford to spend some well Planned money on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Lee Sinnott said: I don't think I've ever used the word "charlatan" in my life and I actually said "I don't believe a word the guys mouth," so don't try and make my post sound more aggressive than it actually was. It's a forum for fans' opinion. My opinion is that I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth... I was referring to Alan Howarth and someone else here on this occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 14 hours ago, JoeP said: I'm not convinced - as I say, this was nearly 30 years ago. I reckon thousands of them are just not available to return anymore. What is proved here is that many fans very quickly packed it in when things started to go South! You might be right - we might be able to command 15k one day, but I don't think historical evidence is much proof of that. AL would have to tap into a whole new, massive, group that I'm not sure even exists. I agree with you that there aren’t thousands of dormant fans waiting for the tide to turn.... but there are thousands of people in the boroughs of Oldham & Tameside that would be susceptible to an attractive alternative proposition, if; - There was an excellent Junior Latics facility on the top floor of the JR stand - Pre & Post match entertainment for kids - Easy to access, well stocked bars in all stands - Well priced family packages - A competitive team on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, lookersstandandy said: Then create attractive facilities (Cap Ex required).... primarily focused around families, price a family package sensibly & market to them (More Cap Ex) using multi media formats with a well crafted series of messages, as the community alternative to the greedy excess of the premier league. It would be helpful if we were competing at the top end of whatever league we were in at that time (Final Cap Ex). It’s not hard. It just takes a Plan..... and some money. What I don’t get is why anyone would buy a football club and then cry poverty. Don’t fkin buy it if you can’t afford to spend some well Planned money on it. I take it when you say Cap Ex, you mean Capital Expenditure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, lookersstandandy said: I agree with you that there aren’t thousands of dormant fans waiting for the tide to turn.... but there are thousands of people in the boroughs of Oldham & Tameside that would be susceptible to an attractive alternative proposition, if; - There was an excellent Junior Latics facility on the top floor of the JR stand - Pre & Post match entertainment for kids - Easy to access, well stocked bars in all stand - Well priced family packages - A competitive team on the pitch Absolutely. I mean we should be doing that for the ones that turn up anyway and who knows? Maybe a couple of thousand (and only a couple of thousand, in my opinion..) might start coming more regularly if we have this set-up. Exeter are a club we could learn a bit from, I reckon. A club of similar size (or smaller, even..) with a decent "fan-park" set-up outside the ground (or they did when I was last there..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, rudemedic said: I take it when you say Cap Ex, you mean Capital Expenditure? I do, so not technically a correct phrase for Human Resource, but the sentiment is clear....... substitute it simply for £ / Investment..... whatever you prefer...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, JoeP said: Absolutely. I mean we should be doing that for the ones that turn up anyway and who knows? Maybe a couple of thousand (and only a couple of thousand, in my opinion..) might start coming more regularly if we have this set-up. Exeter are a club we could learn a bit from, I reckon. A club of similar size (or smaller, even..) with a decent "fan-park" set-up outside the ground (or they did when I was last there..) I don't know much about what Exeter are doing currently, but.... Wigan Hull Reading Doncaster Rotherham Fleetwood Brentford .....are all clubs that I don't consider traditionally bigger than we can be...... that have all invested / are continuing to invest in infrastructure in order to maximise their potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 38 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: I don't know much about what Exeter are doing currently, but.... Wigan Hull Reading Doncaster Rotherham Fleetwood Brentford .....are all clubs that I don't consider traditionally bigger that we can be...... that have all invested / are continuing to invest in infrastructure in order to maximise their potential. Perhaps mega rich owners have something to do with how high a club goes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor evil Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 38 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: I don't know much about what Exeter are doing currently, but.... Wigan Hull Reading Doncaster Rotherham Fleetwood Brentford .....are all clubs that I don't consider traditionally bigger that we can be...... that have all invested / are continuing to invest in infrastructure in order to maximise their potential. The issue is surely that pretty much everyone in the local area now support city or utd.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Vast amounts of Cap Ex would need to be spent just to grow the fanbase by 20/25%, I don't blame any owner who doesn't want to commit to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 36 minutes ago, BP1960 said: Perhaps mega rich owners have something to do with how high a club goes? Well, of course it helps.... but Doncaster & Rotheham [both been up to the Championship twice in the years we've been marooned in League One & now Two]....? There has to be some investment.... but it doesn't have to be Sheikh or Oligarch levels. 34 minutes ago, doctor evil said: The issue is surely that pretty much everyone in the local area now support city or utd.... ....a big challenge for sure..... but don't tell me that the majority left leaning socialist populace of Oldham & Tameside cannot see how offensive the excessive greedy capitalist premier League is.... and a significant proportion wouldn't unite around the principle of community and family. OACT do an incredible job already..... gift it more budget, let is widen it's scope & reach even greater parts of the local community, create welcoming facilities and then advertise. 27 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Vast amounts of Cap Ex would need to be spent just to grow the fanbase by 20/25%, I don't blame any owner who doesn't want to commit to that. It depends on how you define vast. Doncaster Rovers' entire new stadium cost £20m to build, Rotherham United's was £17m.... & I'm not even talking a new stadium here. To begin with, I'm talking about leasing the large amounts of empty space in the Joe Royle stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, rudemedic said: I take it when you say Cap Ex, you mean Capital Expenditure? Don't you call someone out on jargon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Can't speak for anyone else but I would love to be back in the Greedy League... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 hours ago, lookersstandandy said: I agree with you that there aren’t thousands of dormant fans waiting for the tide to turn.... but there are thousands of people in the boroughs of Oldham & Tameside that would be susceptible to an attractive alternative proposition, if; - There was an excellent Junior Latics facility on the top floor of the JR stand - Pre & Post match entertainment for kids - Easy to access, well stocked bars in all stands - Well priced family packages - A competitive team on the pitch The last one is all that matters. The rest will make very little, if any, difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, JoeP said: Absolutely. I mean we should be doing that for the ones that turn up anyway and who knows? Maybe a couple of thousand (and only a couple of thousand, in my opinion..) might start coming more regularly if we have this set-up. Exeter are a club we could learn a bit from, I reckon. A club of similar size (or smaller, even..) with a decent "fan-park" set-up outside the ground (or they did when I was last there..) League Two Exeter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, BP1960 said: Perhaps mega rich owners have something to do with how high a club goes? They help but they're not essential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, doctor evil said: The issue is surely that pretty much everyone in the local area now support city or utd.... No more or less than in 1989. Granted more support City but that'll be at United's expense (not that they actually go) moreso than ours. Also many kids "support" both us and one of those two which was never the case in more soulful times.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: No more or less than in 1989. Granted more support City but that'll be at United's expense (not that they actually go) moreso than ours. Also many kids "support" both us and one of those two which was never the case in more soulful times.... Soulful I like it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimeblue Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: No more or less than in 1989. Granted more support City but that'll be at United's expense (not that they actually go) moreso than ours. Also many kids "support" both us and one of those two which was never the case in more soulful times.... There's a car I've seen waiting to pick people up outside the gates of the car park after games. In the back window, there's a city sticker on one side and an Oldham one on the other. A sorry sign of the times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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