deyres42 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Sounds like all they really need to do is rebuild the Clayton and thousands will come flooding back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Just now, longtimeblue said: There's a car I've seen waiting to pick people up outside the gates of the car park after games. In the back window, there's a city sticker on one side and an Oldham one on the other. A sorry sign of the times. Mind boggling isn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 hours ago, HarryBosch said: The last one is all that matters. The rest will make very little, if any, difference. ......they'll make a difference to Mum's & Dad's who can bring their kids and let them enjoy the facilities / entertainment on offer, while enjoying a drink or two - if they're inclined - and the likelihood of them returning regularly, regardless of the product on the pitch. Admittedly however, it will take a good season or two also, to encourage them in the first place..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, JoeP said: Absolutely. I mean we should be doing that for the ones that turn up anyway and who knows? Maybe a couple of thousand (and only a couple of thousand, in my opinion..) might start coming more regularly if we have this set-up. Exeter are a club we could learn a bit from, I reckon. A club of similar size (or smaller, even..) with a decent "fan-park" set-up outside the ground (or they did when I was last there..) 1 hour ago, lookersstandandy said: I don't know much about what Exeter are doing currently, but.... Wigan Hull Reading Doncaster Rotherham Fleetwood Brentford .....are all clubs that I don't consider traditionally bigger than we can be...... that have all invested / are continuing to invest in infrastructure in order to maximise their potential. With my brother being an Exeter season ticket holder and I get to as many home games as I can, I can say that there are a lot of similarities between both us and them. Attendances are pretty similar in the most part and now that the redevelopment of the two stands have happened for them, both have similar sized grounds. Their main advantage is the catchment area for fans. With Torquay heading towards obscurity, Plymouth Yeovil and Bristol are the closest places to them with EFL teams. That gives them a lot of people that they can reach which we don't have, but we have a big advantage in terms of location. Both in terms of being in a football hotbed and in terms of recruitment of players. The big advantage they have is their infrastructure, which is about 5 or 10 years in front of ours. Both at the ground in terms of their fan area/beer and food tents and at the training ground where they have produced players who are either becoming regulars in the first team or getting sold on for millions even before sell on fees, see Ollie Watkins and Ethan Ampadu (the later who produced the best professional debut I think I'll ever see). Considering that we're still paying off old debts before investing in anything (an approach I'm glad AL seems to be taking) we're going to lag behind them for a while, but there's no reason why we can't use their strategy. Paul Tisdale played a large part in enforcing that but it was the attitude of the higher-ups that allowed it to become a reality without spending a shed-load of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, longtimeblue said: There's a car I've seen waiting to pick people up outside the gates of the car park after games. In the back window, there's a city sticker on one side and an Oldham one on the other. A sorry sign of the times. That's worse than a half a d half scarf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Sounds like all they really need to do is rebuild the Clayton and thousands will come flooding back. So, Doncaster Rovers - while in the bottom two divsions and at Belle Vue, averaged between 2-4k at home in the 70/80's With new ownership, a competitive product on the pitch - beginning in the conference - and then a new stadium/facilities - have averaged between 7-12k ever since. See for yourself; http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/donr.htm Rotherham - for much of the 80/90s, while in the bottom two divisions and at Millmoor - average between 3-5k at home. With a competitive product on the pitch under Ronnie Moore, this increased to between 6-8k - dropped again when they were outcast to the Don Valley - before a new stadium/facilities was build and it's been between 8-10k ever since. See for yourself; http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/rotu.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 There is little doubt a new stadium would be a huge help, I haven't heard any suggestion from Mr Lemsagam that this is on his agenda though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, deyres42 said: There is little doubt a new stadium would be a huge help, I haven't heard any suggestion from Mr Lemsagam that this is on his agenda though. ....but there exists a new stand already, with loads of space in it..... which could be used to improve facilities and to attract people to the space.....!?! It's lying empty, collecting dust. Lease it. Use it. Doesn't even need to build a new Clayton Arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: ....but there exists a new stand already, with loads of space in it..... which could be used to improve facilities and to attract people to the space.....!?! It's lying empty, collecting dust. Lease it. Use it. Doesn't even need to build a new Clayton Arms. If only it was that simple, of course there is a space there but because of who owns it we would see little or anything from renting the space particularly if TTA have their finger in the pie. Tented fan zone would be the best option or even tent/cover the back of the JF and provide a space to socialise for fans if that's what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 22 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: So, Doncaster Rovers - while in the bottom two divsions and at Belle Vue, averaged between 2-4k at home in the 70/80's With new ownership, a competitive product on the pitch - beginning in the conference - and then a new stadium/facilities - have averaged between 7-12k ever since. See for yourself; http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/donr.htm Rotherham - for much of the 80/90s, while in the bottom two divisions and at Millmoor - average between 3-5k at home. With a competitive product on the pitch under Ronnie Moore, this increased to between 6-8k - dropped again when they were outcast to the Don Valley - before a new stadium/facilities was build and it's been between 8-10k ever since. See for yourself; http://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/rotu.htm Slight caveat to both those examples is that Yorkshire is going through a success drought at the top. So it was a great time for them to try and pinch back some of the local fans who may previously have been Leeds/Sheff Weds/Sheff Utd when they were top flight. But they are both good examples of what can be achieved by proper infrastructure and execution, not just having to rely on a billionaire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: If only it was that simple, of course there is a space there but because of who owns it we would see little or anything from renting the space particularly if TTA have their finger in the pie. Tented fan zone would be the best option or even tent/cover the back of the JF and provide a space to socialise for fans if that's what they want. I'm not saying it's simple..... your idea is good also..... do them both..... make the JR stand the family stand and encourage those without kids into the JF stand. What it does require is passion and hard work [Lemsagam tells us he's got these]..... ambition and a well thought out and executed Plan is what he needs to work on. 23 minutes ago, nzlatic said: Slight caveat to both those examples is that Yorkshire is going through a success drought at the top. So it was a great time for them to try and pinch back some of the local fans who may previously have been Leeds/Sheff Weds/Sheff Utd when they were top flight. But they are both good examples of what can be achieved by proper infrastructure and execution, not just having to rely on a billionaire. It's a fair and valid point.... and means the 'sell' through OACT & Marketing needs careful positioning..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Big update of the staff page today. Some left quite some time ago though. Removed: - Assistant Manager - Changed: Goalkeeping Coach Andy Rhodes + [vacant] - Simon Cooper ... into: + TBC - Richard Cooper.. into: [vacant] + Head of Coach Development +Chris Millington - Natalie Seaton ... into: + Mark Sheridan Removed: - Administrator - Natalie Seaton Changed: - Stadium and Facilities Manager ... into: + Head Groundsman - Lee Williams ... into: + Paul Flynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: If only it was that simple, of course there is a space there but because of who owns it we would see little or anything from renting the space particularly if TTA have their finger in the pie. Tented fan zone would be the best option or even tent/cover the back of the JF and provide a space to socialise for fans if that's what they want. The Trust are exhausting all that we can and appreciate any further input...I've thought about pop ups like they have at the Emptyad and at Liverpool. I've even research converted shipping containers for us, one even has a built in pop up tv screen..but it might be a bit wet, wild and chilly on the North stand car park...hahah you can however by a tented marquee room to fit on to them..hmmmmm Any ideas, fire them over, we have a Trust sub committee tasked to try and come up with something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, underdog said: The Trust are exhausting all that we can and appreciate any further input...I've thought about pop ups like they have at the Emptyad and at Liverpool. I've even research converted shipping containers for us, one even has a built in pop up tv screen..but it might be a bit wet, wild and chilly on the North stand car park...hahah you can however by a tented marquee room to fit on to them..hmmmmm Any ideas, fire them over, we have a Trust sub committee tasked to try and come up with something With respect to the Trust, I want Lemsagam to fund these ideas..... not the Trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, HarryBosch said: League Two Exeter? I'm talking about the off field stuff. Last time I was there (which, admittedly, I think was the Penney season..) they had a cracking little fan park area, that was packed. Sort of like a scaled down version of the one at Anfield.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 hours ago, doctor evil said: The issue is surely that pretty much everyone in the local area now support city or utd.... They did back in the day also. When the crowds increased in the pinch me years plenty were city and Manure fans that filled out the stands. Hence the rapid decline once the good times stopped rolling. Don't get me wrong bad times see's some Latics fans fall away also. Well, any fans of any club for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 I do think there's an opportunity there to attract fans by offering a 'real football experience' as opposed to the sanitised shite served up in the premier league with waiting lists for games etc. I went to an NFL game at Wembley last month and the level of commercialisation was shocking. That might be fine for a fan base that's used to it, but the more the premier league goes down that route, the more there'll be an appetite for football fans to seek out something more authentic. Affordable tickets/food/drink, safe standing areas, accessibility to club and players, children's kits that don't cost ridiculous amounts... should all be achievable stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 hours ago, lookersstandandy said: ......they'll make a difference to Mum's & Dad's who can bring their kids and let them enjoy the facilities / entertainment on offer, while enjoying a drink or two - if they're inclined - and the likelihood of them returning regularly, regardless of the product on the pitch. Admittedly however, it will take a good season or two also, to encourage them in the first place..... all that kind of thing should be a given in this day and age but it won't make any significant difference to attendances without a winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 hours ago, HarryBosch said: Don't you call someone out on jargon You do it, but I wasn't calling Andy out I was clarifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: all that kind of thing should be a given in this day and age..... Exactly. So, if you "buy" a football club without the things that should be 'a given'.... and your motivations for doing so are well intentioned.... there isn't really an excuse for not having a Plan to create them..... assuming you are of sound business mind. He's been in charge for nearly a year now.... he's had plenty of time to work this out..... I'd like to hear about his Plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Lots of talk about Doncaster and their stadium. They don't own it. But the council do. Hence why their Rugby League side and the women's team play there. Don't forget that part of the reason why Huddersfield RL, who finished 5th in the division below, 'usurped' Oldham's Super League spot when Paris went under was due to the fancy council owned ground. Oldham's Council has a lot to answer for in terms of the decline of both the town's football and RL teams. Council owned grounds (past or present) are not uncommon in football. However, I don't know many grounds owned by someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 hours ago, lookersstandandy said: With respect to the Trust, I want Lemsagam to fund these ideas..... not the Trust. I want Lemsagam to do it well, make profit from it and invest some of that profit back into the team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, nzlatic said: Affordable tickets/food/drink, safe standing areas, accessibility to club and players, children's kits that don't cost ridiculous amounts... should all be achievable stuff. As should a winning team more importantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: I want Lemsagam to do it well, make profit from it and invest some of that profit back into the team... ....I think we're in complete agreement here Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, lookersstandandy said: Exactly. So, if you "buy" a football club without the things that should be 'a given'.... and your motivations for doing so are well intentioned.... there isn't really an excuse for not having a Plan to create them..... assuming you are of sound business mind. He's been in charge for nearly a year now.... he's had plenty of time to work this out..... I'd like to hear about his Plans. What if the plans didn't meet your expectations? Would you just accept it for what it is or turn militant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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