yarddog73 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Last four seasons Rocdale have finished 3rd (got promoted), 8th, 10th and 9th. Not bad on piss poor crowds and without doubt one of the poorest budgets if not the poorest in the division, add to that they turn a profit and have been quite shrewd in the transfer market showing quite an healthy bank balance, do people really think their fans should be baying for blood? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Last four seasons Rocdale have finished 3rd (got promoted), 8th, 10th and 9th. Not bad on piss poor crowds and without doubt one of the poorest budgets if not the poorest in the division, add to that they turn a profit and have been quite shrewd in the transfer market showing quite an healthy bank balance, do people really think their fans should be baying for blood? When our fans call for a manager to be sacked is the bank balance taken into consideration? Dales budget is common knowledge like ours. I keep missing this information. Healthy bank balance couldnt afford a new pitch without a massive cup tie and possible help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, Dave_Og said: They have had three promotions in 110 years - and he's presided over two of them. Not bad. How many relegations in that 110 years? I remember one in 1974 very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmr Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 37 minutes ago, OldHallam said: Dale history As promoted three times must be limiting relegations to three as started in Div 3 1958 after reorganisation. Promoted 69, 2010, 2014 Relegated 58, 74, 2012 Should have been relegated in 77/78 and 79/80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 1 hour ago, yarddog73 said: Last four seasons Rocdale have finished 3rd (got promoted), 8th, 10th and 9th. Not bad on piss poor crowds and without doubt one of the poorest budgets if not the poorest in the division, add to that they turn a profit and have been quite shrewd in the transfer market showing quite an healthy bank balance, do people really think their fans should be baying for blood? The fans of Dale were asking for his blood a few short weeks ago.... they will be again if he gets them relegated. Fans are fickle, you should know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 31 minutes ago, OldHallam said: Yeah had forgotten that, fine margins. second time very lucky really. Didn't we have to reapply for election on a couple of occasion too? I don't think we finished bottom mind...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticsPete Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 2 hours ago, lookersstandandy said: Didn't we have to reapply for election on a couple of occasion too? I don't think we finished bottom mind...... In 58/9 and 59/60. 21st and 23rd respectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobOAFC Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 6 hours ago, palmer1 said: It's good for them but he could be about to preside over a 3rd relegation. Have they ever been relegated when Hill was manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, RobOAFC said: Have they ever been relegated when Hill was manager? Nah, it was Steve Eyre and then John Coleman who were in charge the season when they last got relegated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 6 hours ago, palmer1 said: Let's not forget he was a miserable failure at Barnsley. Whilst that’s true he not a manager who I’d say isn’t worthy of a second chance at a higher level job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, PlayItLivo said: Nah, it was Steve Eyre and then John Coleman who were in charge the season when they last got relegated. How has the amazing pundit and manger Steve eyre ever been relegated.... total muppet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Rochdale have dropped 23 points after being ahead. 2nd only to Crewe in the whole FL. Long may that form continue. Ben Mathew provides some good stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewBlue Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 18 hours ago, palmer1 said: When our fans call for a manager to be sacked is the bank balance taken into consideration? Dales budget is common knowledge like ours. I keep missing this information. Healthy bank balance couldnt afford a new pitch without a massive cup tie and possible help? I was thinking the other day about the odds of a side staying up eight or so years in a row since last challenging the play-offs. To avoid relegation must be quite improbable when we’ve consistently had a bottom 8 budget and have flirted round the relegation zone for every season. We’re an exception to the rule I’d say. Hill’s done a fantastic job at Rochdale. Dave Og nailed it. 2 of their 3 promotions in 100+ years, very good football for the most part - most of which has been based on excellent home form. Seeing their own lads come through and impress in the first team - they do that a lot better than we do - and competing at this level on 2k crowds. I don’t like him but it’s some achievement. He’d have a job for life if I was Rochdale fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, NewBlue said: I was thinking the other day about the odds of a side staying up eight or so years in a row since last challenging the play-offs. To avoid relegation must be quite improbable when we’ve consistently had a bottom 8 budget and have flirted round the relegation zone for every season. We’re an exception to the rule I’d say. Hill’s done a fantastic job at Rochdale. Dave Og nailed it. 2 of their 3 promotions in 100+ years, very good football for the most part - most of which has been based on excellent home form. Seeing their own lads come through and impress in the first team - they do that a lot better than we do - and competing at this level on 2k crowds. I don’t like him but it’s some achievement. He’d have a job for life if I was Rochdale fan. Our successful relegation fights every season are possibly a factor in our youth players not breaking through. If we were to be comfortably mid table towards the end of the season, it would be less risky to try them in the first team. Similarly if we went down, a manager might be more likely to blood them at a lower level. Ultimately, Corney's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 20 hours ago, palmer1 said: I don't quite get this admiration that some Oldham fans have for Hill at Dale. They are bottom of the league and have been relegated from lg1 on more than one occasion. If any Oldham manager past or present had his current record they would be baying for his blood. They have been relegated from this league once. And that was under John Coleman... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 51 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: They have been relegated from this league once. And that was under John Coleman... Doesn't change anything, they are bottom of the league. We wouldn't stand for that here but many admire him and Rochdale for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, palmer1 said: Doesn't change anything, they are bottom of the league. We wouldn't stand for that here but many admire him and Rochdale for it. I don't think they admire him for being bottom of the League. They probably admire him because he has got a team, who spent almost 40 years in the bottom division, promoted twice in the past 7 years and has steered them to a top half finish in the 3rd tier, which is unheard of for Rochdale for a very long time. But, personally, I think he is a shit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, NewBlue said: I was thinking the other day about the odds of a side staying up eight or so years in a row since last challenging the play-offs. To avoid relegation must be quite improbable when we’ve consistently had a bottom 8 budget and have flirted round the relegation zone for every season. We’re an exception to the rule I’d say. Hill’s done a fantastic job at Rochdale. Dave Og nailed it. 2 of their 3 promotions in 100+ years, very good football for the most part - most of which has been based on excellent home form. Seeing their own lads come through and impress in the first team - they do that a lot better than we do - and competing at this level on 2k crowds. I don’t like him but it’s some achievement. He’d have a job for life if I was Rochdale fan. We have had plenty of our own lads come through into the first team. A portion of our fans turn on them but see Dales as doing very well. who has had more go onto a higher level.. us or them? Its easy to jusge the positives when you aren't watching how shit they are every week like at Boundary Park Dale fans were turning on Hill 10 games or so ago. They will again if they go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, Lee Sinnott said: I don't think they admire him for being bottom of the League. They probably admire him because he has got a team, who spent almost 40 years in the bottom division, promoted twice in the past 7 years and has steered them to a top half finish in the 3rd tier, which is unheard of for Rochdale for a very long time. But, personally, I think he is a shit... I can agree with all of that. I don't think he is a bad manager by any stretch I just don't get why the negatives about him can be ignored so easily but can we used just as easily to judge ex or present Oldham managers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Mikey Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1974 - 94 we were in one of the top two divisions. 1974 - most of the time until now. They were in the bottom division. Different history, different expectations. I cannot abide Hill either. Mainly because of my perception of his attitude to us. He also looks like he's auditioning for the part of "rogue farmer with a grudge" on Heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 21 hours ago, palmer1 said: I don't quite get this admiration that some Oldham fans have for Hill at Dale. They are bottom of the league and have been relegated from lg1 on more than one occasion. If any Oldham manager past or present had his current record they would be baying for his blood. Yep - and with all that stability on and off the pitch too. Very little pressure from their fans when they're in a bad run. Regular, lucrative, well negotiated players sales (much of that down to him to be fair). A core of 5 or 6 half decent team players who seem to have been there for years (again, credit where it's due) yet he still can't keep them up. It seems that he can only manage them and they can only get back up with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 21 hours ago, deyres42 said: Because many people are able to look beyond results and see the bigger picture. What's the bigger picture? They're stable, he's stable, he's taking them down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: What's the bigger picture? They're stable, he's stable, he's taking them down. As most managers would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 19 hours ago, kowenicki said: The fans of Dale were asking for his blood a few short weeks ago.... they will be again if he gets them relegated. Fans are fickle, you should know that. That's not what fickle means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, deyres42 said: As most managers would. Eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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