latics22 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Well it’s something tou can’t really slag him for? Sounds like a good deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 hour ago, latics22 said: Well it’s something tou can’t really slag him for? Sounds like a good deal! Exactly. Damned if you do etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, latics22 said: Well it’s something tou can’t really slag him for? Sounds like a good deal! You can if he trousered the proceeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 9 hours ago, yarddog73 said: You can if he trousered the proceeds. ....and the Tarky sell on fee sale happened to occur around the time the new stand (we don’t own) was being built & loan sharks needed paying off.... feel free to conjecture where that money went.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 17 hours ago, longtimeblue said: Confirmed to the trust? Shrewd as fuck as it turns out. Seen in one of the brief glimpses of the accounts managed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, leeslover said: Seen in one of the brief glimpses of the accounts managed. What year? How much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just now, deyres42 said: What year? How much? Sorry, if I was told that I've forgotten. I think it was a good while after his prime, not talking millions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al_bro Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 9:25 AM, GlossopLatic said: How scouting has changed Saw this video the other day on youtube and it shows how data analysis is changing the way players are recruited. It highlights Tarkowski and the main reason why he was recruited by Dyche was because they looked at the statistics and say how many aerial duels Tarkowski won. I hope we are using things like this when we are looking at recruiting players. Do they do in depth stats like this on L1 and 2 players, let alone French 3rd. and 4th. divisions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, al_bro said: Do they do in depth stats like this on L1 and 2 players, let alone French 3rd. and 4th. divisions? Well if they do we should be checking them out. If we want to compete and be successful then we are going to have to be innovative in how we find and recruit players. Even at league 2 level we still dont have that much clout in the transfer market. We no longer have Joe Royle who can find us a gem in a youth team and if we are to find a good manager then they are more likely to move on much quicker these days see the Lee Johnson example. So we have to go and find a way to recruit players which doesn't depend on 1 brilliant manager or where we can outgun another club financially. Their are players out there now who we could find that would come to us this transfer window who could seriously improve us. We just have to find them. Edited January 16, 2019 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 59 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: We no longer have Joe Royle who can find us a gem in a youth team You can have someone to find those gems all you want but when the majority are happy to sit in the under 23s picking up thousands a week without playing a competitive match rather than come to facilities like a lot of league 1 and 2 clubs have you're up shit creek without a paddle most of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: You can have someone to find those gems all you want but when the majority are happy to sit in the under 23s picking up thousands a week without playing a competitive match rather than come to facilities like a lot of league 1 and 2 clubs have you're up shit creek without a paddle most of the time Daniel Iverson, Sam Surridge, Callum Lang all came here knowing full well that the facilities were worse than their parent clubs. Their are probably hundreds of players out on loan in league 1 and 2 from PL and championship clubs. Most players in those academies know this when they are sent out on loan and most accept it. Any player who doesn't want to come here and play competitive football because its cold or because their parent clubs have a nicer shower or sauna then quite frankly we dont want them as they are too soft and will never make a career in football. The vast majority are not like that. I reckon their are 15-20 players out their now sat in reserve teams in the 3 leagues above us who would willingly come here and improve us. Probably just as many in the French lower leagues too and plenty in the national league and semi pro leagues too we just have to go and find them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Daniel Iverson, Sam Surridge, Callum Lang all came here knowing full well that the facilities were worse than their parent clubs. Their are probably hundreds of players out on loan in league 1 and 2 from PL and championship clubs. Most players in those academies know this when they are sent out on loan and most accept it. Any player who doesn't want to come here and play competitive football because its cold or because their parent clubs have a nicer shower or sauna then quite frankly we dont want them as they are too soft and will never make a career in football. The vast majority are not like that. I reckon their are 15-20 players out their now sat in reserve teams in the 3 leagues above us who would willingly come here and improve us. Probably just as many in the French lower leagues too and plenty in the national league and semi pro leagues too we just have to go and find them. I’d like to think so too... but equally, I wouldn’t be surprised if there were many more that preferred the home comforts, exhorbitant wages & glamour - without a burning desire to prove themselves - that premier league & championship academies afford them. The system is symptomatic of the broken greedy capitalist society in which we live. Those staunch left wing socialists football supporters whom vigorously defend the obscene spending of their wealthy football clubs amuse me with their blind hypocrisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: Even at league 2 level we still dont have that much clout in the transfer market. We no longer have Joe Royle who can find us a gem in a youth team. The last 2 players Joe Royle recommended to us were George Green and Courtney Duffus, both failures here for various reasons. BP has a better record than that (Surridge). However, if you are talking in more general terms 30+ years ago Joe Royle’s record at finding bargains was second to none. These days considerably less so. It’s probably a sign of how football has moved on. Edited January 17, 2019 by rudemedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 8 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: Daniel Iverson, Sam Surridge, Callum Lang all came here knowing full well that the facilities were worse than their parent clubs. Their are probably hundreds of players out on loan in league 1 and 2 from PL and championship clubs. Most players in those academies know this when they are sent out on loan and most accept it. Any player who doesn't want to come here and play competitive football because its cold or because their parent clubs have a nicer shower or sauna then quite frankly we dont want them as they are too soft and will never make a career in football. The vast majority are not like that. I reckon their are 15-20 players out their now sat in reserve teams in the 3 leagues above us who would willingly come here and improve us. Probably just as many in the French lower leagues too and plenty in the national league and semi pro leagues too we just have to go and find them. All loans. Royle got people who were happy to bin off the wages and comforts they had to sign full time did he not? Although the wages etc weren't so different back then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, rudemedic said: The last 2 players Joe Royle recommended to us were George Green and Courtney Duffus, both failures here for various reasons. BP has a better record than that (Surridge). However, if you are talking in more general terms 30+ years ago Joe Royle’s record at finding bargains was second to none. These days considerably less so. It’s probably a sign of how football has moved on. Of course I'm talking about Royle 30 years ago 2 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: All loans. Royle got people who were happy to bin off the wages and comforts they had to sign full time did he not? Although the wages etc weren't so different back then The likes of Barrett Warhurst Irwin etc were either binned or told to leave this was pre Bosman when clubs had abit more power over players. Also Clubs now seem to see youth development as a business model rather than a source of future first team players they sign them on good contracts loan them out and when the chance comes sell them on. A few will still be let go and we will get the chance to sign them but alot will be out of our price range but if we can get them on loan for a season and they get us out of the division then it's still worth our while to play the loan system even if we don't get a transfer fee when they come to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 hours ago, GlossopLatic said: The likes of Barrett Warhurst Irwin etc were either binned or told to leave this was pre Bosman when clubs had abit more power over players. Both Barrett & Warhurst joined Latics for a fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, palmer1 said: Both Barrett & Warhurst joined Latics for a fee. Less than 50k for the pair though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: Less than 50k for the pair though. My point is players who are binned off or told to leave dont normally command any fee, especially then. There was a doubt about Warhursts fitness due to asthma but both were well thought of by many at City. Irwin was binned off by Bremner for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyPimp Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, palmer1 said: Irwin was binned off by Bremner for free. We benefited from quite a few Bremner cast-offs. Probably more deserving of a North Stand gold brick than Corney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, JohnnyPimp said: We benefited from quite a few Bremner cast-offs. Probably more deserving of a North Stand gold brick than Corney. My Dad's more deserving of a Gold brick than Corney and he helped save Andy Payton. (He did something very similar for one of our players a few years earlier- think it was Tony Henry). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 25 minutes ago, rudemedic said: My Dad's more deserving of a Gold brick than Corney and he helped save Andy Payton.... Did he really? That's so bizarre.... I was out last night and met a Hull fan and we talked about that very event/game, as we were both there...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 46 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: Did he really? That's so bizarre.... I was out last night and met a Hull fan and we talked about that very event/game, as we were both there...... Yep. Basically the Hull physio had put his bag just out of reach so couldn’t keep Payton from swallowing his tongue and reach his bag. My Dad was in the old boxes above the main stand paddock so had a great view and rushed on to the pitch to help. It’s one of my first memories of supporting Latics. See Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, rudemedic said: Yep. Basically the Hull physio had put his bag just out of reach so couldn’t keep Payton from swallowing his tongue and reach his bag. My Dad was in the old boxes above the main stand paddock so had a great view and rushed on to the pitch to help. It’s one of my first memories of supporting Latics. See wow...well done your dad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 10 hours ago, underdog said: wow...well done your dad Thanks I'll pass that on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 12 hours ago, rudemedic said: Thanks I'll pass that on. Great story. In this day and age he’d have been rugby tackled to the ground and slapped with a banning order though , before saving a mans life !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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