palmer1 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Goalkeepers: Jack Butland (Stoke), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Nick Pope (Burnley) Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Kyle Walker, John Stones (Manchester City), Harry Maguire (Leicester), Kieran Trippier, Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), Phil Jones, Ashley Young (Manchester United). Midfielders: Eric Dier, Dele Alli (both Tottenham Hotspur), Jesse Lingard (Manchester United), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Fabian Delph (Manchester City), Ruben Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea) Forwards: Jamie Vardy (Leicester), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal) Harry Kane (Tottenham) Standby: Tom Heaton, James Tarkowski (Burnley), Lewis Cook (Bournemouth), Jake Livermore (West Brom) and Adam Lallana (Liverpool). Danny fk'n Welbeck and Ashley fk'n Young!? Fabien Delph and Alex-Arnold ? Decisions based on their club, if elsewhere they wouldn't have had a sniff! Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 How far have wel fallen since u could reel the starting 11 off without a problem and most of the squad. That midfield looks shite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtobeWozzer Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Alexander-Arnold is going to be a star and no problem with him going, Welbeck’s scoring record for England compares well with most. The other two I’ll give you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Don't like Utd. by any means but he's had a fair season for them and is versatile ( either full back or wing back ). Think Welbeck is lucky and Delph and Cahill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted May 16, 2018 Author Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 minute ago, UsedtobeWozzer said: Alexander-Arnold is going to be a star and no problem with him going, Welbeck’s scoring record for England compares well with most. The other two I’ll give you. Arnold is too young and hadn't played one game for England despite being a Liverpool player all year, why not play him in a friendly? he will be a star in 2 years... Crouch has a better record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmr Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Group stages it is then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) Ashley Young well deserved as is Alexander-Arnold. Strange that he picked Rose over Bertrand (who does not even make standby). i would have had Lallana instead of Delph too. And I would have taken Sessegnon too at the expense of Jones..? Edited May 16, 2018 by TheBigDog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtobeWozzer Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, palmer1 said: Arnold is too young and hadn't played one game for England despite being a Liverpool player all year, why not play him in a friendly? he will be a star in 2 years... Crouch has a better record I suspect he will play a friendly before the World Cup ? I’d have picked Crouch if only to man mark Fellaini at set pieces when we need to avoid defeat against Belgium to qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofcecere Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Have we ever entered a tournament before with a weaker looking squad? We’ll be lucky to get out of the group I fear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Shelvey probably the only really unlucky one to miss out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Just now, ghostofcecere said: Have we ever entered a tournament before with a weaker looking squad? We’ll be lucky to get out of the group I fear Given how poorly our "stronger" squads have performed I'm not too bothered. I've no problem with Alexander-Arnold. Haven't seen enough of Young, Lallana, Welbeck or Delph to qualify. None particularly excite me. Young is a useful squad player at least. Welbeck can score despite his limitations and injury record, but his inclusion probably says more about the lack of decent alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Shelvey probably the only really unlucky one to miss out. Deserves a place on ability but his temperament's suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Here's a question. How many of that squad does everyone think are genuinely, indisputably, world class? Not international class, i.e. good enough to represent their country. World class, as in better than most other players in that position at an international level. I struggle with that one. Kane probably the only one for me. That lack of world class players is what makes me think our prospects are limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_latics Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Trent and Delph integral parts of the two best teams in the country. Young can play everywhere and has had a very good 18 months. Welbeck has 15 in 37 for England. Squad is about right. Don't get the hype on Shelvey. It's a shame Lallana isn't fit, would offer something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Crusoe said: Here's a question. How many of that squad does everyone think are genuinely, indisputably, world class? Not international class, i.e. good enough to represent their country. World class, as in better than most other players in that position at an international level. I struggle with that one. Kane probably the only one for me. That lack of world class players is what makes me think our prospects are limited. Sterling isn’t far off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedtobeWozzer Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, latics22 said: Sterling isn’t far off Considering he didn’t even look League 1 standard when Liverpool played At BP a few years back he’s come a long way. I would (through gritted teeth) put Kyle Walker up there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Welbeck and Phil Jones don't deserve a place. They both had their chance with the failed generation and haven't cut it. I'd have taken Lallana, he's played well for England most times he's played and deserved a place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Burns Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Young fully deserves his comeback. I would have taken Wilshere and Lallana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Can't believe Cahill's made it. He's had a terrible season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_latics Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Stevie_J said: Can't believe Cahill's made it. He's had a terrible season. Having watched our leaderless fuckwits collapse over the last 2 months, I'm not averse to taking Cahill (who has mostly been poor, but had a better last few weeks). It'd be a very young squad otherwise. Plus he plays on the left of three centre halves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Southgate probably hoping a point from each of the group games will be enough to go through to the next stage, we then draw every game after, but win them all on penalties. He's a genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frizzell54 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 No Davies and Holloway then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Just now, frizzell54 said: No Davies and Holloway then? Unfortunately for Southgate Davies has already been capped by Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehobbit Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I saw Gary Lineker saying we should take a load of kids and have just use this tournament as game time and as an experience for them. I think I agree to be honest. No problem with Wilshere not going he's a complete liability in terms of injuries. Shelvy is awful. What's he got 1 goal and a couple of assists all season? type of player always looking for the hollywood ball but rarely finds it. If lalanna had been fit for more of the season think he would have gone. Delph has just won the title and can do a job in a couple of roles. Young's been decent for the last year or so and again versatile Tarki probably unlucky to miss out. Has Rashford really done enough to go? Welbeck has done OK in the past but again another crock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frizzell54 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 1 minute ago, BP1960 said: Unfortunately for Southgate Davies has already been capped by Wales. I bet Southgate was gutted to hear that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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