HarryBosch Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) Frankie Bunn and Andy Rhodes mentioned this a couple of times at the Meet the Manager event the other night. Like most of us I agree. But I keep reading people tweeting or posting that it's important that we keep certain players who "should have stayed up" and would be a blow to lose them. A different management team will produce different results from players but does the fact that players should have been good enough to avoid relegation from League One necessarily mean they'll be good enough to get promoted from League Two? I don't think so..... Edited July 18, 2018 by HarryBosch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisRichard Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I think that we have a slight advantage of a settled squad nucleus of players who have played together for a season. My concern is we need solid additional players to add to said nucleus to make it a promotion winning side. Start losing more of the nucleus, the more we'll edge towards the position of last year with lots of incomings that will need more time to gel. The odd addition is fine providing it's not a complete overhaul promoting instability. The players we have are capable. The question is can Bunn get a tune out of them all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) I agree there would be a lot of overlap in the Venn diagram of players who should have been good enough to stay up and those good enough to go up but it wouldn't be uniform. PS Typo. Edited July 18, 2018 by rudemedic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, ChrisRichard said: I think that we have a slight advantage of a settled squad nucleus of players who have played together for a season. My concern is we need solid additional players to add to said nucleus to make it a promotion winning side. Start losing more of the nucleus, the more we'll edge towards the position of last year with lots of incomings that will need more time to gel. The odd addition is fine providing it's not a complete overhaul promoting instability. The players we have are capable. The question is can Bunn get a tune out of them all? From what I've seen he's got them on song so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankly Mr Shankly Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I'm quietly confident for this season but I'm totally realistic to expect it could fall to shit quite easily. The longer we remain in Division 2, for me it'll just increase the likelihood on us going into non-league. Really do need an immediate bounce back and get a long-lost feelgood factor in around the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisRichard Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, BP1960 said: From what I've seen he's got them on song so far. I've not seen is play yet. We do sound more organised. Am going on Saturday though so will have more of a feel of where we are up to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddySmoker Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, ChrisRichard said: I've not seen is play yet. We do sound more organised. Am going on Saturday though so will have more of a feel of where we are up to. Football in July in the UK, FFS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I think we lost one of our last nine at the back end of last season despite several appearing to down tools, on that basis I think we should do okay with the players Bunn has retained adding Clarke back into the mix, my only worry is up front where you really need a good return from someone and I've yet to see that in preseason, our defence/midfield on paper would be as good as any in the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 We had a good defence under Robinson, it’s useless without something uo the other end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshawlatic Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, latics22 said: We had a good defence under Robinson, it’s useless without something uo the other end Not exactly useless - without those clean sheets wed have been down, its just that had McKay actually been a striker we may have actually done something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, Buckshawlatic said: Not exactly useless - without those clean sheets wed have been down, its just that had McKay actually been a striker we may have actually done something My point is we won’t be going up on a defence alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Why so much confidence in a defence that conceded 75 in League One? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ryan said: Why so much confidence in a defence that conceded 75 in League One? Because we aren't playing in that league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, latics22 said: My point is we won’t be going up on a defence alone Well obviously yes, but the fact of the matter is last season we scored as many goals (58) as charlton and plymouth who finished 6th and 7th which suggests had we defended well we would have gone into that final game at Northampton fighting for a play off spot rather than survival. Back to the original point well if you look at the squad we let 7 go at the end of the season plus 6 loan players Davies Holloway and Mclaughlin have all moved on so thats 16 players that have been moved out plus potentially Gerrard maybe on the way too thats 17. However we have to make sure we dont throw the baby out with the bath water the likes of Byrne Gardener Clarke Dummigan Nepo Hunt and some of the youngsters like Hamer and Edmondson should all be very good league 2 players atleast. I still think we are 5 new faces short of a squad that can challenge for promotion but we have had a big turnover in staff over the summer its just that the squad we had was so big and full of deadwood that it doesnt necessarily feel like it. Edited July 18, 2018 by GlossopLatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, deyres42 said: Because we aren't playing in that league? 32 minutes ago, ChaddySmoker said: Football in July in the UK, FFS World cups in July will never work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayItLivo Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I'd still rather have good players who underperformed last season than ringing in a bunch of average L2 players. Maybe if we weren't a shambles off the field for most of the season (takeovers, managerial changes, players not getting paid on time on numerous occasions), some of those players would have performed better. There's quality in the squad, no doubt. Although I think we'll regret letting Davies go. Especially if his replacement is Chris fucking O'Grady. That's not a swap I'd have taken if offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Not sure a pre-season friendly against a championship side who have spent £20m in the last few weeks will be a barometer of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, PlayItLivo said: I'd still rather have good players who underperformed last season than ringing in a bunch of average L2 players. Maybe if we weren't a shambles off the field for most of the season (takeovers, managerial changes, players not getting paid on time on numerous occasions), some of those players would have performed better. There's quality in the squad, no doubt. Although I think we'll regret letting Davies go. Especially if his replacement is Chris fucking O'Grady. That's not a swap I'd have taken if offered. The biggest improvement is that the Manc has gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Not sure a pre-season friendly against a championship side who have spent £20m in the last few weeks will be a barometer of anything. It will if we win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, oafcmetty said: It will if we win! True... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Because we aren't playing in that league? I doubt that there’s much difference between L1 and L2. Lots that came up didn’t seem to struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, jorvik_latic said: I doubt that there’s much difference between L1 and L2. Lots that came up didn’t seem to struggle. On Racing and Football Outlook ratings we are top ranked. Obviously they are frozen from May but it might be the only time we are top of anything so I'm taking it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted July 18, 2018 Author Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, yarddog73 said: I think we lost one of our last nine at the back end of last season despite several appearing to down tools, on that basis I think we should do okay with the players Bunn has retained adding Clarke back into the mix, my only worry is up front where you really need a good return from someone and I've yet to see that in preseason, our defence/midfield on paper would be as good as any in the division. Are they winners though? To keep drawing when just one or two wins were so vitally important says not... Edited July 18, 2018 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Ryan said: Why so much confidence in a defence that conceded 75 in League One? I don't know but weren't far more of the. Let in by the defence that started the season than the one that finished it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I think a season of consolidation would be welcomed in the boardroom if not on the terraces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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