deyres42 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, Bobledgersheart said: Yes but with the squad available we should have been able to conjure the extra point required, whoever was in charge. So many mistakes by managers, players and directors ensured teams of lesser ability but more professionally run are now in a league above us. Very true. Odd that people want to pin the blame on one man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzlatic Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I do find it a bit strange that there is so much criticism levelled at the club from fans for everything from infrastructure to the players bought/sold (almost all justifiably so). Yet if there's even a hint of a player or manager mentioning those issues they're bitter or using excuses to mask their own failings etc. We're either a shambles and the poor bastards that end up managing our club deserve a little bit of slack, or not. Can't have it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 22 minutes ago, nzlatic said: I do find it a bit strange that there is so much criticism levelled at the club from fans for everything from infrastructure to the players bought/sold (almost all justifiably so). Yet if there's even a hint of a player or manager mentioning those issues they're bitter or using excuses to mask their own failings etc. We're either a shambles and the poor bastards that end up managing our club deserve a little bit of slack, or not. Can't have it both ways. Do the poor bastards get forced to apply for the job though ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 30 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Very true. Odd that people want to pin the blame on one man. I'm not convinced anyone is doing that. But there is no denying that Wellens should accept a significant amount of the responsibility for results, as any manager does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 6 hours ago, deyres42 said: Tactics were fine, put a competent keeper in the goals and we stay up with ease. 32 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Very true. Odd that people want to pin the blame on one man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 24 minutes ago, nzlatic said: I do find it a bit strange that there is so much criticism levelled at the club from fans for everything from infrastructure to the players bought/sold (almost all justifiably so). Yet if there's even a hint of a player or manager mentioning those issues they're bitter or using excuses to mask their own failings etc. We're either a shambles and the poor bastards that end up managing our club deserve a little bit of slack, or not. Can't have it both ways. Latics has been a circus act of a club for a decade at least. Only last season were we relegated. Wellens had a brief run of good results as caretaker which forced the decision to give him the job, and we were crap after that. The lacklustre performance in the last game of the season reflects very badly on his ability to motivate players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Stevie_J said: Latics has been a circus act of a club for a decade at least. Only last season were we relegated. Wellens had a brief run of good results as caretaker which forced the decision to give him the job, and we were crap after that. The lacklustre performance in the last game of the season reflects very badly on his ability to motivate players. All true..... but were the trapeze artists p1ssed and did a tiger escape and cause more havoc between Jan-May 2018, than at any point over the prior 9 1/2 years+? Edited November 14, 2018 by lookersstandandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDHAMADE Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 35 minutes ago, Stevie_J said: I'm not convinced anyone is doing that. But there is no denying that Wellens should accept a significant amount of the responsibility for results, as any manager does. Wellens had us all in dreamland after the bastards home win plus a few other results we'd of normally come away with nothing and none of us could see the last day coming until it actually happened. Regardless of anything behind the scenes I still hold him personally responsible for our ultimate fall, heaven knows he had plenty of games left and quality to see us over the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, OLDHAMADE said: Wellens had us all in dreamland after the bastards home win plus a few other results we'd of normally come away with nothing and none of us could see the last day coming until it actually happened. Regardless of anything behind the scenes I still hold him personally responsible for our ultimate fall, heaven knows he had plenty of games left and quality to see us over the line. Ultimate responsibility lies with the current and previous owner, nobody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 59 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Nice try but both points stand. If Ripley had been secured then we don't concede 70 odd goals, not even a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Ultimate responsibility lies with the current and previous owner, nobody else. Not Johnny Dickfingers then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDHAMADE Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Ultimate responsibility lies with the current and previous owner, nobody else. With the players we had even I would have guided us to League One safety, says it all when worst sides stayed up at our expense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Not Johnny Dickfingers then? We would have earned more points with a better goalkeeper but I couldn't hold him personally responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 If people insist on giving wellens praise for his 5 games he looked alright, why is his poor run down to anyone else other than him? So do we praise corney and al for the winning run !? Its madness, I don’t really care how long a season is no wins from 8 is a joke ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 hours ago, deyres42 said: Nice try but both points stand. If Ripley had been secured then we don't concede 70 odd goals, not even a debate. You’re all over the place. Wellens could and should have been able to get a team to get more points than 7 points from the last 8 games. That was piss poor, quite possibly the worst in the entire footballl league, and entirely down to him. He failed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, deyres42 said: Ultimate responsibility lies with the current and previous owner, nobody else. Odd that you want Bunn out then. Its obvioulsy not his fault. It’s ultimately the owner. . . Edited November 14, 2018 by League one forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 hours ago, deyres42 said: Ultimate responsibility lies with the current and previous owner, nobody else. Nobody else? You are ridiculous. No responsibility due to the 15 plus players used, the manager and all the coaching staff...? None. Nowt to do with them? It’s the owners fault they couldn’t replicate other previous decent performances. The owners fault they could only muster 6 goals in 8 games. The owners fault the manager thinks some 2nd rate Irish lad is the next Roy Keane. The owners fault that the manager decides a winger instrumental in earlier results gets dropped. The owners fault a full back has a brain fart and gets sent off. The owners fault we decided to try play Doyle as a Peter Crouch wannabe. The owners fault half the team looked like they literally didn’t give a fuck in the last game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, League one forever said: Odd that you want Bunn out then. Its obvioulsy not his fault. It’s ultimately the owner. . . Like I said he’s all over the place. Bit confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Nobody else? You are ridiculous. No responsibility due to the 15 plus players used, the manager and all the coaching staff...? None. Nowt to do with them? It’s the owners fault they couldn’t replicate other previous decent performances. The owners fault they could only muster 6 goals in 8 games. The owners fault the manager thinks some 2nd rate Irish lad is the next Roy Keane. The owners fault that the manager decides a winger instrumental in earlier results gets dropped. The owners fault a full back has a brain fart and gets sent off. The owners fault we decided to try play Doyle as a Peter Crouch wannabe. The owners fault half the team looked like they literally didn’t give a fuck in the last game. What are you blathering on about? The pissing about in the summer and the embargo in January fucked us, simple as that. Anything that happened after was a consequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, League one forever said: Odd that you want Bunn out then. Its obvioulsy not his fault. It’s ultimately the owner. . . Well yeah given he is the one in charge of the purse strings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, deyres42 said: What are you blathering on about? The pissing about in the summer and the embargo in January fucked us, simple as that. Anything that happened after was a consequence. Yes, as a consequence in the 5 games after the end of Jan ( some against promotion favourites), we didn’t lose, we got 11 points and scored 9 goals. ...all over the place. Edited November 14, 2018 by kowenicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Well yeah given he is the one in charge of the purse strings... So how about giving Bunn as much rope as wellens? Wellens had your backing Bunn hasn’t. Wellens had the impossible job. Bunn just isn’t right for us - or as you said the other week- ‘sometimes you just get a feeling’ #samplesize. Seems to me you shift your arguement on wether you rate the manager or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, kowenicki said: Yes, as a consequence in the 5 games after the end of Jan ( some against promotion favourites), we didn’t lose, we got 11 points and scored 9 goals. ...all over the place. How many points gained in January? You know, when we didn't have Bryan, Byrne, Doyle et al? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, League one forever said: So how about giving Bunn as much rope as wellens? Wellens had your backing Bunn hasn’t. Wellens had the impossible job. Bunn just isn’t right for us - or as you said the other week- ‘sometimes you just get a feeling’ #samplesize. Seems to me you shift your arguement on wether you rate the manager or not. One has many years of coaching experience, the other doesn't, simple enough to understand really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stanley30 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 hours ago, yarddog73 said: Not Johnny Dickfingers then? Tommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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