latics22 Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 1 hour ago, JoeP said: I'm not so certain. He wasn't in the same form he's been in this season. I remember thinking at Blackpool away in particular that he's had it.. I'm more certain that if AL hadn't bought the #frenchlads in that we'd have stayed up. He lost a lot of weight over the summer would have helped him get a yard or two back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 2 hours ago, JoeP said: I'm not so certain. He wasn't in the same form he's been in this season. I remember thinking at Blackpool away in particular that he's had it.. I'm more certain that if AL hadn't bought the #frenchlads in that we'd have stayed up. He had serious family concerns around the time his form dropped off, we shouldn't be reading much into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 I was in the camp that thought we'd be better off keeping Gerrard and getting rid of Clarke on the pitch. However, in hindsight I think this year's team has been a lot more together off the pitch. I think the absence of Gerrard is a significant factor in that. A few other players too, with a few of the newer lads being good for morale to enhance it. The cliques we saw last year helped relegate us and I think Gerrard was a significant part of that. Do we stay up if Gerrard plays most of the games he missed after Bury, I think so, or even if he admitted his injury before Bury. Do we stay up if Clarke stays, I think so. Do we stay up if Maouche plays more games, I think so- he's proven his value this season. The same for Nepomuceno. There are a lot of factors that helped relegate us last season, a lot of which can be laid at the feet of our former owner. Clarke being shipped out on loan isn't one of them. In hindsight given the amount of games Gerrard actually played and the dross signed with the money saved (Benyu) compared with what we already had available, do I think we were better keeping Gerrard, no. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddogs Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 42 minutes ago, rudemedic said: I was in the camp that thought we'd be better off keeping Gerrard and getting rid of Clarke on the pitch. However, in hindsight I think this year's team has been a lot more together off the pitch. I think the absence of Gerrard is a significant factor in that. A few other players too, with a few of the newer lads being good for morale to enhance it. The cliques we saw last year helped relegate us and I think Gerrard was a significant part of that. Do we stay up if Gerrard plays most of the games he missed after Bury, I think so, or even if he admitted his injury before Bury. Do we stay up if Clarke stays, I think so. Do we stay up if Maouche plays more games, I think so- he's proven his value this season. The same for Nepomuceno. There are a lot of factors that helped relegate us last season, a lot of which can be laid at the feet of our former owner. Clarke being shipped out on loan isn't one of them. In hindsight given the amount of games Gerrard actually played and the dross signed with the money saved (Benyu) compared with what we already had available, do I think we were better keeping Gerrard, no. Easy to forget the 2 seasons when Gerrard helped up stay up though isn’t it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Gerrard was very well liked by most of his teammates... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 8 hours ago, rudemedic said: The cliques we saw last year helped relegate us and I think Gerrard was a significant part of that. Do we stay up if Gerrard plays most of the games he missed after Bury, I think so, or even if he admitted his injury before Bury. Do we stay up if Clarke stays, I think so. Do we stay up if Maouche plays more games, I think so- he's proven his value this season. The same for Nepomuceno. There are a lot of factors that helped relegate us last season, a lot of which can be laid at the feet of our former current owner. Clarke being shipped out on loan isn't one of them. FTFY. These cliques you talk about were formed because our current owner brought in his clients who offered nothing on the pitch, paid them inflated wages for reasons unknown and expected the players on lesser wages to dig us out of the shit. If there's one moment that sums up what contribution the players AL bought in had on the team was Moimbe pulling Tom Eaves' hair! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 31 minutes ago, JoeP said: FTFY. These cliques you talk about were formed because our current owner brought in his clients who offered nothing on the pitch, paid them inflated wages for reasons unknown and expected the players on lesser wages to dig us out of the shit. If there's one moment that sums up what contribution the players AL bought in had on the team was Moimbe pulling Tom Eaves' hair! If only Eaves had his hair shorn that morning we might have stayed up..fine lines . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 minute ago, BP1960 said: If only Eaves had his hair shorn that morning we might have stayed up..fine lines . Tom Eaves hair is Mark Hughes' right boot for the younger generation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, JoeP said: FTFY. These cliques you talk about were formed because our current owner brought in his clients who offered nothing on the pitch, paid them inflated wages for reasons unknown and expected the players on lesser wages to dig us out of the shit. If there's one moment that sums up what contribution the players AL bought in had on the team was Moimbe pulling Tom Eaves' hair! You are aware that if there is stuff we can blame Corney for in terms of our relegation, but that doesn't account for everything, then the rest like shipping Clarke on loan go to AL's tally. I literally said that in my post which you claim to have fixed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeP Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, rudemedic said: You are aware that if there is stuff we can blame Corney for in terms of our relegation, but that doesn't account for everything, then the rest like shipping Clarke on loan go to AL's tally. I literally said that in my post which you claim to have fixed. Meh, I apologise if that's what you were getting at - but I didn't read any reference to AL in your post. There seems a biased on this board that blames Corney for our relegation. Corney had us hanging on the edge but it was undoubtedly AL that came in and changed things which pushed us right over, when I think a few simple, calculated decisions could have kept us up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_blue Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunty Blue Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 ...and Baxter, gone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Where are people getting this information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stanley30 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 And George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunty Blue Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 41 minutes ago, Crusoe said: Where are people getting this information? https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11730/11714016/oldham-head-coach-pete-wild-leaves-the-club-due-to-personal-reasons Foot of article says Oldham have also released Clarke and Baxter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 44 minutes ago, Stanley30 said: And George Unbelievable. As we all said, the last thing we (and the Clowns if they are to be trusted) need is a period of stability and keeping our core players..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemonday Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Neps gone as well I’m told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowenicki Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 58 minutes ago, Stanley30 said: And George Sold? He’s contracted to 2020? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchierich Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Anything to back up the George and Nepo posts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Benteke offered a new deal though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 I hope Clarkey realises how highly he is thought of by the fans. Be nice for him to leave with a message back to us supporters. Guessing he doesn’t do twitter though ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 (edited) George wants out and who can blame him. Edited May 8, 2019 by yarddog73 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 48 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: George wants out and who can blame him. George will want out for a step up to a bigger club and good luck to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 1 minute ago, mcfluff1985 said: George will want out for a step up to a bigger club and good luck to him Exactly-it would be more of a surprise if he wanted to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseowl Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Sad isn't it - just watching us fall into the abyss - without there having been any concerted effort to rally the troops and, at the very least, protest very strongly. Unless outside investment is in the pipeline, it looks like budgets are being slashed and, if this season was a disappointment, I fear that next (if we hang on until then) may well see us off. The word "stability" has been mentioned recently (was it intimated at the Trust/Chairman meeting?) - I`ve obviously misunderstood the word's meaning for most of my life. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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