latics22 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Scholes has to shoulder some blame, if we’d have won all the games would he be walking. I doubt it, but that doesn’t take any off AL shoulders. He can’t help himself and if there has been no gas and missing coaches = any budget in the summer promised to Scholes was obviously bollocks. He lies and interferes, prob to worse traits for a owner of any business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 There are a lot of parallels with Shez leaving. It's clear that we're a basket case behind the scenes. There can only be one resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobledgersheart Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Whilst we're guessing what happened here's mine. Scholes obviously knew what sort of situation he was getting into ( he's not thick ) but was assured by Abdallah that monies were available for everyday running costs and a new pitch. With the gas meter being taken out and kit washed in a laundrette it became apparent that no such monies were available and he walked. Pretty simple really, your boss tells you lies and you lose faith and respect and can no longer work for/with him. I've not posted on many of the "rumours" surrounding the club as I try to give everyone a fair crack of the whip despite hearing stories from club employees that frankly were very hard to believe. However anyone who tries to put any blame Scholes for the current situation has a pretty closed mind in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I’m not privy to the inside day to day but looking at this based on what we’ve heard for months, what we’ve heard this week etc. However, if I’d been employed in a role and promised - - a new pitch - free reign on recruitment/selection - promise of money to strengthen in the summer But experienced the following within days/weeks - players sacked without me knowing (Fane) - interference from above on recruitment/selection within weeks of the role - gas bills unpaid, players forced to wash their own kit, no team bus for an away game i.e. clearly no evidence of cash for day to day, let alone squad strengthening I’d have resigned even without the courtesy of a text and leave it to my solicitors to sue for constructive dismissal. Granted Scholes didn’t need this job and was doing this as a fan but everyone has a credibility to uphold - being at the helm of this toxic mess should be a concern for any manager. Only manager we will now get is someone employed here already and bullied into it or someone so desperate to take it. Lemsagam, in his statement, said he have Scholes full support and autonomy plus asked to resolve Scholes’ concerns when Scholes resigned. Would you honestly trust this bloke or give him the oxygen to try and bullshit his way out? Only way Lemsagam can get out of this now is the following - - indisputable evidence that he has the funds to not only fund the day to day bills that aren’t being paid but finances to fund a new pitch and strengthen the playing side this summer and beyond - contractually commit to not intereferencing in recruitment and selection unless playing performance and points over X period necessitate the requirement to step in - commit to and uphold regular meetings with the Trust He won’t commit to any of these because it’s clear he doesn’t have the money, there’s no evidence whatsoever that he’s cleared debts, paid £4m for the club or can fund day to day cost without reliance upon ST money or income from matchday. Surely questions need to be asked of the EFL now as to how did this bloke pass the fit and proper test. They allowed this and should be culpable. Surely there’s legalities around this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick26 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Midsblue said: I’m not privy to the inside day to day but looking at this based on what we’ve heard for months, what we’ve heard this week etc. However, if I’d been employed in a role and promised - - a new pitch - free reign on recruitment/selection - promise of money to strengthen in the summer But experienced the following within days/weeks - players sacked without me knowing (Fane) - interference from above on recruitment/selection within weeks of the role - gas bills unpaid, players forced to wash their own kit, no team bus for an away game i.e. clearly no evidence of cash for day to day, let alone squad strengthening I’d have resigned even without the courtesy of a text and leave it to my solicitors to sue for constructive dismissal. Granted Scholes didn’t need this job and was doing this as a fan but everyone has a credibility to uphold - being at the helm of this toxic mess should be a concern for any manager. Only manager we will now get is someone employed here already and bullied into it or someone so desperate to take it. Lemsagam, in his statement, said he have Scholes full support and autonomy plus asked to resolve Scholes’ concerns when Scholes resigned. Would you honestly trust this bloke or give him the oxygen to try and bullshit his way out? Only way Lemsagam can get out of this now is the following - - indisputable evidence that he has the funds to not only fund the day to day bills that aren’t being paid but finances to fund a new pitch and strengthen the playing side this summer and beyond - contractually commit to not intereferencing in recruitment and selection unless playing performance and points over X period necessitate the requirement to step in - commit to and uphold regular meetings with the Trust He won’t commit to any of these because it’s clear he doesn’t have the money, there’s no evidence whatsoever that he’s cleared debts, paid £4m for the club or can fund day to day cost without reliance upon ST money or income from matchday. Surely questions need to be asked of the EFL now as to how did this bloke pass the fit and proper test. They allowed this and should be culpable. Surely there’s legalities around this? Nail on head - great post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitygoo Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 18 minutes ago, Midsblue said: I’m not privy to the inside day to day but looking at this based on what we’ve heard for months, what we’ve heard this week etc. However, if I’d been employed in a role and promised - - a new pitch - free reign on recruitment/selection - promise of money to strengthen in the summer But experienced the following within days/weeks - players sacked without me knowing (Fane) - interference from above on recruitment/selection within weeks of the role - gas bills unpaid, players forced to wash their own kit, no team bus for an away game i.e. clearly no evidence of cash for day to day, let alone squad strengthening I’d have resigned even without the courtesy of a text and leave it to my solicitors to sue for constructive dismissal. Granted Scholes didn’t need this job and was doing this as a fan but everyone has a credibility to uphold - being at the helm of this toxic mess should be a concern for any manager. Only manager we will now get is someone employed here already and bullied into it or someone so desperate to take it. Lemsagam, in his statement, said he have Scholes full support and autonomy plus asked to resolve Scholes’ concerns when Scholes resigned. Would you honestly trust this bloke or give him the oxygen to try and bullshit his way out? Only way Lemsagam can get out of this now is the following - - indisputable evidence that he has the funds to not only fund the day to day bills that aren’t being paid but finances to fund a new pitch and strengthen the playing side this summer and beyond - contractually commit to not intereferencing in recruitment and selection unless playing performance and points over X period necessitate the requirement to step in - commit to and uphold regular meetings with the Trust He won’t commit to any of these because it’s clear he doesn’t have the money, there’s no evidence whatsoever that he’s cleared debts, paid £4m for the club or can fund day to day cost without reliance upon ST money or income from matchday. Surely questions need to be asked of the EFL now as to how did this bloke pass the fit and proper test. They allowed this and should be culpable. Surely there’s legalities around this? Massive upboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaticMark Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 28 minutes ago, Midsblue said: Surely questions need to be asked of the EFL now as to how did this bloke pass the fit and proper test. They allowed this and should be culpable. Surely there’s legalities around this? Can the EFL review their decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 26 minutes ago, Fruitygoo said: Massive upboat Shouldn't the EFL be looking now at agency links and the lack of board directors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Has Scholes come out with anything more since his original paragraph? I think he needs to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whittles left foot Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Can somebody post where Scholes was promised a new pitch as mentioned by 2 previous posters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midsblue Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, whittles left foot said: Can somebody post where Scholes was promised a new pitch as mentioned by 2 previous posters? Love him or hate him, it was in Keegan’s article on Scholes 31-day tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Scholes says he will continue to support his hometown club but I’m pretty certain you won’t see him at BP while AL is still here. He surely now needs to highlight the problems he encountered and strike while the irons hot. As a lifelong fan I think he owes it to his fellow supporters to expose AL, come clean, and help get this parasite out of our club. Perhaps the trust could try and set up a meeting with Scholes to hear it from the ‘horses mouth’ so to speak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, oafc1955 said: Scholes says he will continue to support his hometown club but I’m pretty certain you won’t see him at BP while AL is still here. He surely now needs to highlight the problems he encountered and strike while the irons hot. As a lifelong fan I think he owes it to his fellow supporters to expose AL, come clean, and help get this parasite out of our club. Perhaps the trust could try and set up a meeting with Scholes to hear it from the ‘horses mouth’ so to speak? Couldn't agree more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Bobledgersheart said: Whilst we're guessing what happened here's mine. Scholes obviously knew what sort of situation he was getting into ( he's not thick ) but was assured by Abdallah that monies were available for everyday running costs and a new pitch. With the gas meter being taken out and kit washed in a laundrette it became apparent that no such monies were available and he walked. Pretty simple really, your boss tells you lies and you lose faith and respect and can no longer work for/with him. I've not posted on many of the "rumours" surrounding the club as I try to give everyone a fair crack of the whip despite hearing stories from club employees that frankly were very hard to believe. However anyone who tries to put any blame Scholes for the current situation has a pretty closed mind in my opinion. But its the old mushroom analogy for us fans. Keep em in the dark and throw shit on em. That's why its so important for Scholes to come out and say whats been going on, as far as I'm aware voicing concerns publicly is only libellous if its not true. Come on down Paul and spill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldham82 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Maybe just maybe Paul scholes new he was not manager material and has left to go to man United in coaching role or back to pundit. We all new a huge job at oldham forgetting the owner interference he may just have left as easy option before it got worse . To be honest pete wild showed alot more passion on touch lines and in interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Oldham82 said: Maybe just maybe Paul scholes new he was not manager material and has left to go to man United in coaching role or back to pundit. We all new a huge job at oldham forgetting the owner interference he may just have left as easy option before it got worse . To be honest pete wild showed alot more passion on touch lines and in interviews. Nothing knew there then ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejh45 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Bobledgersheart said: However anyone who tries to put any blame Scholes for the current situation has a pretty closed mind in my opinion. I can almost agree with this point, Bob. But Scholes would have known who he was dealing with so he, alone, must take the ultimate responsibility of accepting the job and his performance (or lack of) as a manager for the 7 matches he was in charge of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis Enrique Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 This thread is madness. It doesn’t really matter whether Paul Scholes was or will be a good manager. It doesn’t even matter whether he got cold feet because he couldn’t be bothered or thought he wasn’t up to it. It’s irrelevant. What matters is bailiffs, team interference, no coaches, no gas, deals offered to unwanted players... There is a terminal rot at the heart of our club and none of it has anything to do with a man who was manager for a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Luis Enrique said: This thread is madness. It doesn’t really matter whether Paul Scholes was or will be a good manager. It doesn’t even matter whether he got cold feet because he couldn’t be bothered or thought he wasn’t up to it. It’s irrelevant. What matters is bailiffs, team interference, no coaches, no gas, deals offered to unwanted players... There is a terminal rot at the heart of our club and none of it has anything to do with a man who was manager for a month. Yeah but once we get a manager who can work under those circumstances everything will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShireBlue Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Didn’t realise the lad we sent to Ashton Utd on loan was sent back after two games. Fucking bonkers. I’ve spent mine and the other halves’ ST money on rugby tickets. Fuck ‘em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue_Guru Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Yeah but once we get a manager who can work under those circumstances and produce a winning team everything will be fine. FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, ShireBlue said: Didn’t realise the lad we sent to Ashton Utd on loan was sent back after two games. Fucking bonkers. I’ve spent mine and the other halves’ ST money on rugby tickets. Fuck ‘em. Things are bad , but rugby ? Fucksakes I’d have had more respect had you bought two season tickets at Gigg Lane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Luis Enrique said: This thread is madness. It doesn’t really matter whether Paul Scholes was or will be a good manager. It doesn’t even matter whether he got cold feet because he couldn’t be bothered or thought he wasn’t up to it. It’s irrelevant. What matters is bailiffs, team interference, no coaches, no gas, deals offered to unwanted players... There is a terminal rot at the heart of our club and none of it has anything to do with a man who was manager for a month. Agreed, in the grand scheme of things, the Scholes thing is just a side show. Although I actually think it's quite a helpful side show in that the media exposure it has created has made a wider audience realise how bad the situation at the club really is. We are heading towards a repeat of 2003 at the end of the season with AL at the helm. Hopefully the club will be saved again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laticsmarra Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Yeah but once we get a manager who can work under those circumstances everything will be fine. I don't on principle want the club that I support run in the way our club is being run,whoever is manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 55 minutes ago, laticsmarra said: I don't on principle want the club that I support run in the way our club is being run,whoever is manager No neither do I, I was being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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