oafcmetty Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I think it's harsh to blame the players. The clubs are (almost literally) throwing cash at them. The cap on spending should come way down - clubs shouldn't be able to spend more than £xm on their wage bill, and for me, the x should be unrelated to revenue - hence stopping the big staying big for ever, and reintroducing some competition and challenge. Who can get the best out of their squad etc. I'd like to blame it all on fergie and his crew - for years their aim was to throw cash at the best player from their rivals, leading to a spending arms race. There are probably others who deserve some of the share too though, although they'll always be the biggest culprits in my eyes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True Tic Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Market forces and all that, hunger for success etc, it's an ethical thing really and that's why nothing will probably change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 And if there was a cap and not as many foreign players came, we could focus on putting more money into developing young english talent which should have been a priotity years ago. Also cap the number of players a club can hoard. Loaning out 50 plus players per season is a joke. Those players would then have to drop down the leagues to get a game and it would benefit all leagues through the pyramid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, mcfluff1985 said: And if there was a cap and not as many foreign players came, we could focus on putting more money into developing young english talent which should have been a priotity years ago. Seems to be a lot of young English talent around at the moment ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 9 hours ago, latics22 said: If we were a dog, we’d have been put out of our misery by now If we were a dog we’d be a cross breed between a bulldog and a shitzu... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythemostimportantkick Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 28 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: Seems to be a lot of young English talent around at the moment ... One word checkatrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 28 minutes ago, TheBigDog said: Seems to be a lot of young English talent around at the moment ... Hudson-Odoi has managed 8 club starts. Appears not because of a lack of talent. There'd be a lot more to choose from if things were managed properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 The thread title seems one step closer this morning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, lookersstandandy said: The thread title seems one step closer this morning... Owners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardie Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, lookersstandandy said: The thread title seems one step closer this morning... Pure speculation by someone on Twitter. Doesn't help anybody except the doom mongers. It's obvious everything isn't rosy in the garden but these kind of tweets really get me pissed off. By the way, it's 'owner' not '"owners". Can't even get that right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozman Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 47 minutes ago, Wardie said: Pure speculation by someone on Twitter. Doesn't help anybody except the doom mongers. It's obvious everything isn't rosy in the garden but these kind of tweets really get me pissed off. By the way, it's 'owner' not '"owners". Can't even get that right. You're right that the leap to it can "only be because the owner has something to hide" is speculation on his part. In our case it could just as easily have been done because the club sacked the person who used to prepare the accounts and no one else has picked it up. But I think his speculation is informed by his experience of such matters. He studies this type of thing for a living and has experience of seeing these events unfold at several clubs throughout the football pyramid. I suspect that him speculating that there is something to hide comes from the fact that, more often than not, there is when this happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Accounts showing further debt when trying to sell season tickets to an angry fanbase never a good look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 4 hours ago, lookersstandandy said: The thread title seems one step closer this morning... That was 2018, its only 3 months to the next deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underdog Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, BP1960 said: That was 2018, its only 3 months to the next deadline. TBF Corney did the same in June 2017 and the Trust raised it at the AGM that year. I honestly don't know if it's a common business practice to do this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Wardie said: Pure speculation by someone on Twitter. Doesn't help anybody except the doom mongers. It's obvious everything isn't rosy in the garden but these kind of tweets really get me pissed off. By the way, it's 'owner' not '"owners". Can't even get that right. You do realise that he is a renowned lecturer on football finance at Liverpool University? He uses similar words for all the clubs that do this, and those that publish very limited financial info. Plenty of other clubs post signifciantly more detail than we do. Extending it by a day is a well used/known Accounting tactic, given his expertise I'll wager it is by those performing poorly too. We have more than one owner by the way, and a slight typo is a ridiculous reason to dissmiss the post. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blue Alb Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Zebra Finance just pulled out of any agreement with us over spreading season ticket costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, The Blue Alb said: Zebra Finance just pulled out of any agreement with us over spreading season ticket costs. Really? Hadn't heard. They've pulled out of agreements with everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Some people will believe what they want to believe. Just somebody give me a bona fide business reason why you would change the accounting date from the 27th June to the 26th of June just days before you are due to file the accounts. Just somebody give me an example of an EFL club that went into administration and the football team didn't survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hands on said: Just somebody give me an example of an EFL club that went into administration and the football team didn't survive. Ex-EFL clubs that went into Admin and didn't survive. I think the 1st three were still competing in the football league when they were wound up. The other 6 had lost their league status before they were liquidated. - Newport County, 1989 - Maidstone United, 1992 - Aldershot Town 1992 - Halifax Town 2002 - Darlington 2003 - Chester City 2009 - Scarborough 2010 - Rushden & Diamonds 2011 - Hereford United 2014 Edited March 28, 2019 by lookersstandandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 (edited) In three months time, he can do the same trick again (albeit only a second time for the one set of accounts as I understand it) Anyone wants odds he'll do that. PS there are certain beone fide reasons to do it, such as aligning acounting dates with companies in the same group, avoiding extra work at a busy time of year etc but I don't think any apply. Edited March 28, 2019 by singe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 38 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: Ex-EFL clubs that went into Admin and didn't survive. I think the 1st three were still competing in the football league when they were wound up. The other 6 had lost their league status before they were liquidated. - Newport County, 1989 - Maidstone United, 1992 - Aldershot Town 1992 - Halifax Town 2002 - Darlington 2003 - Chester City 2009 - Scarborough 2010 - Rushden & Diamonds 2011 - Hereford United 2014 I'm confused! I meant gone disappeared never to be seen again. I agree Administration now would probably see us relegated. I wonder if there is anyone who is owed money if they might get a bit jumpy when they learn that season ticket sales are not going so well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hands on said: I'm confused! I meant gone disappeared never to be seen again. I agree Administration now would probably see us relegated. I wonder if there is anyone who is owed money if they might get a bit jumpy when they learn that season ticket sales are not going so well. There's a team in all of those places but just because they are in the same town doesn't make it the same club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Highly unlikely they have the means to fund administration so it would be liquidation for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcmetty Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, deyres42 said: Highly unlikely they have the means to fund administration so it would be liquidation for us. Group buying the ground would likely help out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 14 hours ago, deyres42 said: Accounts showing further debt when trying to sell season tickets to an angry fanbase never a good look. But we’re basically debt free? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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