wiseowl Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 21 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: But is this profitable over the season for the club or loss making? I get there is guaranteed income but does this translate to a profit or a loss? Genuine question mc - cos I don't know - but when was the last time "we" made any profit ? I would imagine in a good cup run year or maybe a good outgoing transfer year (!) Actual operating profit in the day to day running is probably non existent - so why does focus on "profit" from one side of the ground (i.e. if the other 3 don't make any either) make any difference. Our shiny, new stand certainly is not going to return one if it's not utilised properly - that's for certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I think we made a profit a couple of times under Corney. Probably accidental, he wasn't prone to leaving money lieing around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hands on Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 It is possible that opening the Royle stand would have cost the club money for the friendly games. It is obvious that leaving the boxes and the 100 seats empty will cost the club money during league 2 games. It is obvious that Marco and Mo are ruled by considerations other than common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 3 hours ago, latics22 said: Got some good reviews all 5 stars and harry Redknapp in one photo 2 reviews in the last 2 years. Not sure how many are from friends..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 1 hour ago, leeslover said: I think we made a profit a couple of times under Corney. Probably accidental, he wasn't prone to leaving money lieing around Fairly certain we made a 'profit' the year we played Liverpool in the 3rd round and lost 2-0. Given our cup run last season I would expect us to make a profit then. Think we might turn a profit this season with the Edmundson sale too. Making a profit is a bit moot when it doesn't get invested back into assets the club owns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 2 hours ago, wiseowl said: Genuine question mc - cos I don't know - but when was the last time "we" made any profit ? I would imagine in a good cup run year or maybe a good outgoing transfer year (!) Actual operating profit in the day to day running is probably non existent - so why does focus on "profit" from one side of the ground (i.e. if the other 3 don't make any either) make any difference. Our shiny, new stand certainly is not going to return one if it's not utilised properly - that's for certain. Well if you're losing money from 3, why lose even more from 4? I don't know whether it's profitable for the club to use the OEC neither does anyone else on here. Nobody seems be able to answer the question either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbooth Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 6 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: Well if you're losing money from 3, why lose even more from 4? I don't know whether it's profitable for the club to use the OEC neither does anyone else on here. Nobody seems be able to answer the question either Doesn't the open letter by the FLG say how much it makes on the boxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 15 hours ago, singe said: Ha! Tried finding stuff about them. 1. FB page updated once since April 2. Their own website link does not work, page not found, no website exists, and is available to buy (tempting) 3. A company called The Quirky Catering Company was dissoled quickly in 2016. Sure irrelevenat as based in Nothingham. Strange to name it exactly after existing business. Albeit they have been trading in Rochdale since 2017. Contract with dale for 3rd year started in April 4. The Twitter account has not been updated since Sept 2018. 5. Article in Dale observer states a Patricia Boothman is manageress, but our article sttes Ben & craig Bootham are the owners. 6. Benjamin stuart Boothman has entry in companies house for same postcode as given on FB. He had a bar called Benjamins Pocket, seems to now be in the process of being renames Prohibition. Also is Craig Ricjardson listed, fair to assume is Craig referred. 7. Craig Richardson is Director at 6 comapnies, all single entities. 8. Postcode for Quirky CAtering Co is Flying Horse Pub Packer St Rochdale. . Next door but one the the Yates. So the Boundary Park ‘Battle of the Pies’ is being slugged out between: The Quirky Catering Company (see their ‘Companies House’ data as above, provided by Singe) v The OEC) Oldham Event Centre (Companies House data advises their accounts for up to March 2018 are two month overdue and the business has been served notice on the 13th August that it faces compulsory strike off unless it can show cause to the contrary.) Much Bigger Battle being fought behind the scenes me thinks . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 11 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: Well if you're losing money from 3, why lose even more from 4? I don't know whether it's profitable for the club to use the OEC neither does anyone else on here. Nobody seems be able to answer the question either Are you sure it's that and not that nobody seems to be able to give you an answer that you like? 4 hours ago, Jimbooth said: Doesn't the open letter by the FLG say how much it makes on the boxes? You can lead a horse to water..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseowl Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 6 hours ago, Jimbooth said: Doesn't the open letter by the FLG say how much it makes on the boxes? To be balanced, I think mcluff is asking "in the round" does the stand make a profit for the club? i.e. on the debit side things like cost of renting it, operating costs, costs via SLA etc. versus the credits of boxes, tickets, match day income etc. The various parties involved will know but it does show what a mess fragmented ownership creates - the sooner it's all under one entity the better (certainly from a fans'perspective). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, wiseowl said: To be balanced, I think mcluff is asking "in the round" does the stand make a profit for the club? i.e. on the debit side things like cost of renting it, operating costs, costs via SLA etc. versus the credits of boxes, tickets, match day income etc. The various parties involved will know but it does show what a mess fragmented ownership creates - the sooner it's all under one entity the better (certainly from a fans'perspective). Well we currently rent the ground and use the stand. We have then been shown the profits made when the hospitality is in place. I don't think there is much else to factor in particularly. Pretty clear the club would make money if Marco could swallow his pride and sign the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Jimbooth said: Doesn't the open letter by the FLG say how much it makes on the boxes? It shows the income from the boxes, but that's only one side of things. Those those aren't profit that's just the income from the boxes. Does the club have to spend more than that income according to the SLA that has been put forward? 3 hours ago, HarryBosch said: Are you sure it's that and not that nobody seems to be able to give you an answer that you like? You can lead a horse to water..... Nobody has answered the question. I can have a business that turns over 1m but if I spend 1.5m to run it, that 1m income is irrelevant 56 minutes ago, Clifford said: Well we currently rent the ground and use the stand. We have then been shown the profits made when the hospitality is in place. I don't think there is much else to factor in particularly. Pretty clear the club would make money if Marco could swallow his pride and sign the deal. We haven't been shown the profits at all, we've been told what the income would be. Completely different thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deyres42 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: It shows the income from the boxes, but that's only one side of things. Those those aren't profit that's just the income from the boxes. Does the club have to spend more than that income according to the SLA that has been put forward? Nobody has answered the question. I can have a business that turns over 1m but if I spend 1.5m to run it, that 1m income is irrelevant We haven't been shown the profits at all, we've been told what the income would be. Completely different thing You haven't explained why you think it is ok for the owner not to have to bother offering basic services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, deyres42 said: You haven't explained why you think it is ok for the owner not to have to bother offering basic services. He is. Very basic granted. I never said what was on offer was up to scratch either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: It shows the income from the boxes, but that's only one side of things. Those those aren't profit that's just the income from the boxes. Does the club have to spend more than that income according to the SLA that has been put forward? Nobody has answered the question. I can have a business that turns over 1m but if I spend 1.5m to run it, that 1m income is irrelevant We haven't been shown the profits at all, we've been told what the income would be. Completely different thing The obvious question is that if it is unprofitable, why sign a 2 year deal with another caterer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Just now, singe said: The obvious question is that if it is unprofitable, why sign a 2 year deal with another caterer? Maybe that deal is profitable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: We haven't been shown the profits at all, we've been told what the income would be. Completely different thing £13,500 (income) - £3,900 (cost) = £9,600 (profit). Per box per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Maybe that deal is profitable? EDIT> Jorvik beat me too it. We know the cost increase is 4% on that. which is £4,056. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 1 hour ago, jorvik_latic said: £13,500 (income) - £3,900 (cost) = £9,600 (profit). Per box per season. Does the SLA not have extra things he has to pay for? Kiosks etc. If that's purely it what you've quoted there then he's an idiot if it's that simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_Og Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 2 hours ago, mcfluff1985 said: It shows the income from the boxes, but that's only one side of things. Those those aren't profit that's just the income from the boxes. Does the club have to spend more than that income according to the SLA that has been put forward? Nobody has answered the question. I can have a business that turns over 1m but if I spend 1.5m to run it, that 1m income is irrelevant We haven't been shown the profits at all, we've been told what the income would be. Completely different thing He won't bloody well talk to them!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfluff1985 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Just now, Dave_Og said: He won't bloody well talk to them!!!!!!! If someone offered you a shitty deal that meant you lose money and felt was ridiculous but you could go somewhere else and get a better deal that would be profitable then you'd do that if you felt you were being mugged off (if it's a profitable one was offered, he's a moron) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Sinnott Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Club statement due... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleetwood Blue Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: Club statement due... Barry states these pies from Quirky foods are miles better than Hollands or Pukka pies..Abdallah wants to make maximum profit so they will be cheap at £5 a pie.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, Lee Sinnott said: Club statement due... Expecting it to be about the shambles at the weekend and now everything will be up and running for the Exeter game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorvik_latic Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said: Does the SLA not have extra things he has to pay for? Kiosks etc. If that's purely it what you've quoted there then he's an idiot if it's that simple Most is covered by the rent which is payable anyway. There will be more income from the kiosks plus they can have the full car park to use for free instead of the c150 spaces they have at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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