underdog Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: Why is he going to such lengths to jeopardise such an investment? Good question, maybe you could ask it at the first EFL Club/Fan meeting of the season, that should be announced soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookersstandandy Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 9:43 PM, League one forever said: This is what gets me about AL. He has invested..... ....has he? On what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, underdog said: Good question, maybe you could ask it at the first EFL Club/Fan meeting of the season, that should be announced soon. Nah, you're alright. I'll be washing my hair that night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Just now, lookersstandandy said: ....has he? On what? this is the problem - he says invested when he means spent. you invest in assets. you spend on wages and paying bills (yeah, I know)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 22 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: this is the problem - he says invested when he means spent. you invest in assets. you spend on wages and paying bills (yeah, I know)..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 33 minutes ago, lookersstandandy said: ....has he? On what? 30 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: this is the problem - he says invested when he means spent. you invest in assets. you spend on wages and paying bills (yeah, I know)..... What’s your point? Your not expecting a man who can’t afford to buy the ground to ‘invest’ in other things are you?? If the numerous rumours are true he’s ‘spent’ thousands on over inflated wages to very average players or ghost signings. I would prefer he ‘spent’ his money on players that actually start occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolatic Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 minute ago, League one forever said: What’s your point? Your not expecting a man who can’t afford to buy the ground to ‘invest’ in other things are you?? If the numerous rumours are true he’s ‘spent’ thousands on over inflated wages to very average players or ghost signings. I would prefer he ‘spent’ his money on players that actually start occasionally. can actually play football FIFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 13 minutes ago, League one forever said: What’s your point? Your not expecting a man who can’t afford to buy the ground to ‘invest’ in other things are you?? No. What made you think I am..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 50 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: this is the problem - he says invested when he means spent. 14 minutes ago, League one forever said: What’s your point? I can't think of any other words to change any of it to.... Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League one forever Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: No. What made you think I am..? 15 minutes ago, HarryBosch said: I can't think of any other words to change any of it to.... Sorry. . Misunderstood you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I think the reputation the owner had for financial acumen was luckily gained from the Edmunson, and possibly Duffus deals - very luckily. But all the work has been undone with the handling of Nepo as one of the few assets of the team. But answers as to what is in it for someone who no affinity to the club, oestensibly paying of millions, happy to lose value on a number of players and yet not enough to buy everything and add value. The possibilities rapidly diminish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 1 minute ago, singe said: I think the reputation the woner had for financial acumen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latics22 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 What's the story about Al's watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 To anyone within the trust potentially reading this, please know you are an absolutely pointless organisation, you cling onto this 3% shares that you have, it’s time to give this up and actually act on behalf of the fans. Currently you act on behalf of no one and most of the work you attempt to do ends up in a none result. You wonder why trust membership is so low, then maybe it’s time to change strategy, or is the current director wanting to join the board also? Time to act and do what you are suppose to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigDog Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 9 hours ago, LightDN123 said: To anyone within the trust potentially reading this, Try posting on the Trust Sub Forum . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 11 hours ago, LightDN123 said: To anyone within the trust potentially reading this, please know you are an absolutely pointless organisation, you cling onto this 3% shares that you have, it’s time to give this up and actually act on behalf of the fans. Currently you act on behalf of no one and most of the work you attempt to do ends up in a none result. You wonder why trust membership is so low, then maybe it’s time to change strategy, or is the current director wanting to join the board also? Time to act and do what you are suppose to do. It would be an absolute nonsense to give up the 3% shareholding in the club. The shareholding has got a Trust Director access to the club board and only recently, access to the club financial data. It also affords the Trust some legal rights regarding being a shareholder. You cant seriously think that kind of access to the club would be given without the 3% shareholding do you ? I make no apologies for my view that, for me the Trust strategy is correct as in having access to the club whilst building relationships with other club trusts and in particular the FSA (Football Supporters Association) who can provide legal advice for when the time arises. Our greatest danger lies in not being able to run the club with some financial stability. Lack of cash flow, a clubs lack of ability to pay its bills is what kills a club. We need a supporter group sat around the board table to keep track on that, not having to simply rely on social media rumours for updates.. And again I make no apologies for saying, the greater number of supporters the Trust represents, as in membership, the greater chance they have of being a positive influence on this and any other owner. Supporting the Trust doesn't mean that supporters cant protest in other ways but the time will inevitably come when too many supporters could regret they didn't join and at least give them a fighting chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, tGWB said: It would be an absolute nonsense to give up the 3% shareholding in the club. The shareholding has got a Trust Director access to the club board and only recently, access to the club financial data. It also affords the Trust some legal rights regarding being a shareholder. You cant seriously think that kind of access to the club would be given without the 3% shareholding do you ? I make no apologies for my view that, for me the Trust strategy is correct as in having access to the club whilst building relationships with other club trusts and in particular the FSA (Football Supporters Association) who can provide legal advice for when the time arises. Our greatest danger lies in not being able to run the club with some financial stability. Lack of cash flow, a clubs lack of ability to pay its bills is what kills a club. We need a supporter group sat around the board table to keep track on that, not having to simply rely on social media rumours for updates.. And again I make no apologies for saying, the greater number of supporters the Trust represents, as in membership, the greater chance they have of being a positive influence on this and any other owner. Supporting the Trust doesn't mean that supporters cant protest in other ways but the time will inevitably come when too many supporters could regret they didn't join and at least give them a fighting chance They sit around the board and do what exactly ? They are to scared to do any form of protest as they are frightened to lose there seat around the table. Well they don’t have to give up the 3% but why won’t they start acting on behalf now of the actual fans rather than believing the bull shot that AL continually feeds them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, LightDN123 said: They sit around the board and do what exactly ? They are to scared to do any form of protest as they are frightened to lose there seat around the table. Well they don’t have to give up the 3% but why won’t they start acting on behalf now of the actual fans rather than believing the bull shot that AL continually feeds them. Happy to agree to disagree on this. Youve made too many assumptions just on this post without even considering there are alternative approaches to helping our club than simply protesting. No hard feelings though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yarddog73 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, tGWB said: Happy to agree to disagree on this. Youve made too many assumptions just on this post without even considering there are alternative approaches to helping our club than simply protesting. No hard feelings though Go on then throw the alternative approaches out there then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, tGWB said: Happy to agree to disagree on this. Youve made too many assumptions just on this post without even considering there are alternative approaches to helping our club than simply protesting. No hard feelings though Nothing wrong with a debate, it’s not personal to any individuals at all. All I’ve seen since I have supported my club is a constant decline, can you please run me through these alternative approaches that have been conducted and how they benefited the club in any way. The trust are in a position to unite fans and attempt get AL out, this man is slowly killing our club, at a faster rate than any previous owners. But from the outside looking in, the trust seem happy to sit on the board and not act. I assume you are on the trust ? Im genuinely interested in what the trust are trying to currently achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tGWB Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, yarddog73 said: Go on then throw the alternative approaches out there then... Its virtually impossible to remove an owner of a private limited company. No amount of fans protests are going to shift this fella other than maybe boycotting games and starving the club of much needed cash. Having access to the inner workings of the club is the only way of keeping track on the financial situation and the Trust has that. Giving that up is a nonsense. The day will inevitably come when supporters will need access to legal advice and the funds to pay for it to help save our club Running round with collection buckets at the eleventh hour just isnt going to work. Just my view fellas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightDN123 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, tGWB said: Its virtually impossible to remove an owner of a private limited company. No amount of fans protests are going to shift this fella other than maybe boycotting games and starving the club of much needed cash. Having access to the inner workings of the club is the only way of keeping track on the financial situation and the Trust has that. Giving that up is a nonsense. The day will inevitably come when supporters will need access to legal advice and the funds to pay for it to help save our club Running round with collection buckets at the eleventh hour just isnt going to work. Just my view fellas We and the trust have sat around long enough, why don’t the trust take ownership and unite the fans and lead this. They won’t, because they are happy just sitting close to the accounts. It’s not only the financial situation that will keep this club alive, it’s keeping fans engaged and in love with the club, as things stands this number is dropping each day and will continue to do so, but that’s okay, the trust can see the accounts look better than the shambles they where previously. Its getting to the point where fans arnt arsed, and that will kill our club, not the financial position. Do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singe Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, LightDN123 said: We and the trust have sat around long enough, why don’t the trust take ownership and unite the fans and lead this. They won’t, because they are happy just sitting close to the accounts. It’s not only the financial situation that will keep this club alive, it’s keeping fans engaged and in love with the club, as things stands this number is dropping each day and will continue to do so, but that’s okay, the trust can see the accounts look better than the shambles they where previously. Its getting to the point where fans arnt arsed, and that will kill our club, not the financial position. Do something. What do you mean "the Trust take ownership"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossopLatic Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Its almost an impossible situation for the Trust this. They can't force the clown out but they can't work with him really, he shows no signs of either learning or changing his ways despite the fact they are clearly failing the club miserably. His motivations seem at best murky. I'm not sure what the solution is here my hope is he bails out quickly but when that happens it will be upto us fans to pick up the pieces to an extent and rally together I hope we are all ready for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk2008 Posted September 20, 2019 Author Share Posted September 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, GlossopLatic said: Its almost an impossible situation for the Trust this. They can't force the clown out but they can't work with him really, he shows no signs of either learning or changing his ways despite the fact they are clearly failing the club miserably. His motivations seem at best murky. I'm not sure what the solution is here my hope is he bails out quickly but when that happens it will be upto us fans to pick up the pieces to an extent and rally together I hope we are all ready for that Anything to get this megaprick out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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