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3 hours ago, GlossopLatic said:

 

He has on it that hes CIPFA qualified and his background appears to be much more in the public sector so hes made abit of a leap going into being a director in a limited company.

 

The fact he won't disclose information that other clubs clearly do is quite disappointing and it doesn't do anything to encourage trust between fans and owners. The answers he gave were very defensive. I wouldn't want to work for him or with him anyway.

 

Is there a way of checking if he has passed CIPFA.  I have just tried searching in the CIPFA members section and searching on his name gives no results.

Surely someone who passes that exam would see the benefit of membership.

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Q. Why can’t you sit around the table with the FLG and sort out this situation regarding the Joe Royle Stand. We have waited such a long time for corporate facilities and now can’t use them. For the good of the club and the fans please can this be sorted?

A. The FLG are not a recognised ownership group in terms of the Joe Royle stand. As fans are aware, there is also a case that is with our lawyers regarding the north stand construction and sale. Until resolved, no meetings will take place. The club only deals with the land owner Simon Blitz regarding the lease. We want the stand to re-open and for the facilities to be utilised. The club is willing to negotiate the sla, outside of the legal case, but certain red lines (e.g Control of entry on match days) need to be agreed before it can be taken further.

 

What are these red lines and why are they so important that they're willing to allow the stand to be closed?  They've named one - control of entry.  It needs to be explained what the club's reasons are for this being a red line.  Is it H&S? Are there certain directives they can only meet if they have this control, has this been confirmed by the SAG or EFL?  If so, the OEC needs to explain why it won't give them control.  If this control isn't needed from a legal or H&S point of view, then why do the club want it so badly they're willing to close the stand?

 

It's just another example of those in power at the club restricting the ability of their employees to do their jobs.  Whether it's interference in team selection/recruitment, not investing in the ticketing set up, or shutting a stand and futher alienating supporters right before the marketing department are due to try and flog season tickets.  They continue to tie the hands of their own staff behind their backs and wonder why crowds are falling and the club is underperforming on every level.

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His testimonials are all from what appear to be sole traders...

 

https://www.atsaccountants.co.uk/testimonials/

 

I'm a sole trader. My accountant seems to know his stuff. 

I don't see him as ever being FD of one of England's 92 professional football clubs though.

 

He looks as low calibre as the rest of Abdallah's inner circle.

 

I was going to say low calibre and cheap but he's probably being paid handsomely.

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59 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Is there a way of checking if he has passed CIPFA.  I have just tried searching in the CIPFA members section and searching on his name gives no results.

Surely someone who passes that exam would see the benefit of membership.

 

It would appear that you can become a CIPFA member without necessarily being qualified:

 

https://www.cipfa.org/join

 

The minimum academic entry requirements to study our Professional Qualification are three GCSEs, grades A–C (or grades 4 and up), and two A-Levels, grades A–C or equivalent. 

If you do not meet these requirements you may still be eligible.

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2 minutes ago, Haribo_man said:

 

It would appear that you can become a CIPFA member without necessarily being qualified:

 

https://www.cipfa.org/join

 

The minimum academic entry requirements to study our Professional Qualification are three GCSEs, grades A–C (or grades 4 and up), and two A-Levels, grades A–C or equivalent. 

If you do not meet these requirements you may still be eligible.

LoL. So are you saying he probably hasn't joined because he doesn't even have 3 GCSEs?

 

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42 minutes ago, nzlatic said:

What are these red lines and why are they so important that they're willing to allow the stand to be closed?  They've named one - control of entry.  It needs to be explained what the club's reasons are for this being a red line.  Is it H&S? Are there certain directives they can only meet if they have this control, has this been confirmed by the SAG or EFL?  If so, the OEC needs to explain why it won't give them control.  If this control isn't needed from a legal or H&S point of view, then why do the club want it so badly they're willing to close the stand?

 

There've been crackdowns on players giving out free tickets, and other little perks like that, in the not too distant past. My money is on it being motivated by something similar happening.

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59 minutes ago, Haribo_man said:

 

It would appear that you can become a CIPFA member without necessarily being qualified:

 

https://www.cipfa.org/join

 

The minimum academic entry requirements to study our Professional Qualification are three GCSEs, grades A–C (or grades 4 and up), and two A-Levels, grades A–C or equivalent. 

If you do not meet these requirements you may still be eligible.

But those are the minimum school exam results required to be allowed to study for CIPFA exams. Not the same as being a member surely?

 

I must have missed the entry on LinkedIn that says he passed the exams and is fully qualified. In which case, odd that he doesn't seem to use the initials.

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25 minutes ago, Pidge said:

LoL. So are you saying he probably hasn't joined because he doesn't even have 3 GCSEs?

 

 

Ha, no. I am saying that you can become a member in order to study the accounting qualifications but that they are the requirements to become a member

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Thinking about this issue over the rent, and I might be being too simplistic here, but surely when AL bought the club it was stated what the club's rent responsibilities were?  So should be there in black and white what he signed up to?

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The listed director of ATS Accountants is a Mr Mohammed Alam born in 1983. Undertaking a member search of the CIPFA directory shows no results for this person. 

 

Mr Mohammed Shahedul Alam born in 1979 is listed as resigned (I presume this is our man) from ATS Accountants but is a director of Shahed (not Shahedul) Alam Consulting Limited, his occupation is noted as an accountant. 

 

After conducting a search of the CIPFA member directory there are no results for either a Shahed or Shahedul Alam. 

 

I understand that the 3 main accounting qualifications are ACA, ACCA and CIMA. CIPFA accountants specialise in public finance, managing funds for governments and other public sector bodies. 

 

Whilst he may be qualified there is currently no evidence of this and it becomes more conspicuous by their notable absence on the CIPFA member website or indeed the mention of any completed qualifications on Linkedin. Via PTB Shahed has welcomed us to take a look at his experience to date, well having reviewed that I must say that I couldn't be more underwhelmed or convinced that this is not a suitable person   to have in the role of FD. 

 

It's madness on the scale of letting some tinpot ex French 4th division clogger who once made a subsitutute appearance for Clermont ferrands second eleven have an influence in the recruitment and team selection of an ex premier league club. 

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2 hours ago, nzlatic said:

What are these red lines and why are they so important that they're willing to allow the stand to be closed?  They've named one - control of entry.  It needs to be explained what the club's reasons are for this being a red line.  Is it H&S? Are there certain directives they can only meet if they have this control, has this been confirmed by the SAG or EFL?  If so, the OEC needs to explain why it won't give them control.  If this control isn't needed from a legal or H&S point of view, then why do the club want it so badly they're willing to close the stand?

I think it was mainly to stop ex kit man Steve Cross entering the ground!

 

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1 hour ago, Worcester Owl said:

But those are the minimum school exam results required to be allowed to study for CIPFA exams. Not the same as being a member surely?

 

I must have missed the entry on LinkedIn that says he passed the exams and is fully qualified. In which case, odd that he doesn't seem to use the initials.

 

Their is being a member of an accountancy body which anyone who is aspiring to be a fully qualified one would be and has to be to take the qualification, and then their is being a fully qualified member who has done the hard yards passed all the exams and got the experience under his belt. So its a broard church interms of someones ability just being a member, being fully qualified is a different kettle of fish.

 

I'm a memeber of another accountancy body I'm 2/3rds of the way to being fully qualified I can put the letters after my name once I'm fully qualified.

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1 hour ago, nzlatic said:

Thinking about this issue over the rent, and I might be being too simplistic here, but surely when AL bought the club it was stated what the club's rent responsibilities were?  So should be there in black and white what he signed up to?

Re the rent, he paid it for a year and a bit.

It was the inflationary increase, certainty of income for th club with kiosk income above a certain level, and some other supposed changes he highlighted but no one could hear what they were that suddenly changed. They were a "massive threat" to the business apparently.
The changes they objected to have never been revealed other than at the fans forum. They cut the video unfortunately.

 

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38 minutes ago, singe said:

Re the rent, he paid it for a year and a bit.

It was the inflationary increase, certainty of income for th club with kiosk income above a certain level, and some other supposed changes he highlighted but no one could hear what they were that suddenly changed. They were a "massive threat" to the business apparently.
The changes they objected to have never been revealed other than at the fans forum. They cut the video unfortunately.

 

 

A few people got it from YouTube before they did.

 

Which is nice to know in case GMP, Blitz or....errr... the club ever need to see anything from it again....

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4 hours ago, Haribo_man said:

The listed director of ATS Accountants is a Mr Mohammed Alam born in 1983. Undertaking a member search of the CIPFA directory shows no results for this person. 

 

Mr Mohammed Shahedul Alam born in 1979 is listed as resigned (I presume this is our man) from ATS Accountants but is a director of Shahed (not Shahedul) Alam Consulting Limited, his occupation is noted as an accountant. 

 

After conducting a search of the CIPFA member directory there are no results for either a Shahed or Shahedul Alam. 

 

I understand that the 3 main accounting qualifications are ACA, ACCA and CIMA. CIPFA accountants specialise in public finance, managing funds for governments and other public sector bodies. 

 

Whilst he may be qualified there is currently no evidence of this and it becomes more conspicuous by their notable absence on the CIPFA member website or indeed the mention of any completed qualifications on Linkedin. Via PTB Shahed has welcomed us to take a look at his experience to date, well having reviewed that I must say that I couldn't be more underwhelmed or convinced that this is not a suitable person   to have in the role of FD. 

 

I honesty reckon when he made his flippant "Go look on my LinkedIn" claim he naively / arrogantly assumed no-one would actually go and do that.  

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6 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

 

I honesty reckon when he made his flippant "Go look on my LinkedIn" claim he naively / arrogantly assumed no-one would actually go and do that.  

 

I would go with arrogantly which currently appears to the be culture within the club. Barry, Abdallah and Mo (I'll fling Darren Ratcliffe  in there also) have all shown arrogance and contempt towards different parties,  all whom have an interest in all things OAFC. 

 

Shahed in particularly seems to have an air of untouchable arrogance about him, from mocking the PTB actions to, as you say making what appear to be flippant and dismissive remarks. 

 

Whilst I appreciate that you don't need to be Chartered to practise accountancy I am sure that there must be some bona fide number crunchers on this board who can add their thoughts. 

 

 

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I know this is PTB thread but I thought I would be cheeky  (sorry chaps) just to put  a comparison of the Trust Directors quals and experience.

  • A Fellow of the Institute of Chartered Accountants and a also a Chartered Public Finance Accountant;
  • For 8 years was Senior Examiner setting the Final Test of Professional Competence for CIPFA (Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy);
  • For several years I marked the exam scripts for the final level Advanced Financial Accounting Examination of the ACCA (Association of Chartered Certified Accountants;
  • Was for 22 years Senior Lecturer in Accounting at the University of Salford;
  • Am a former member of the Technical Review Committee of the Manchester Society of Chartered Accountants;

We submitted the ICAEW (Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales) technical guidance sheet on the required contents for FRS 102 Schedule 1A accounts as the basis of our concerns. 

 

2018/19 accounts are due next month.

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4 minutes ago, underdog said:

I know this is PTB thread but I thought I would be cheeky  (sorry chaps) just to put  a comparison of the Trust Directors quals and experience.

  • A Fellow of the Institute of Chartered Accountants and a also a Chartered Public Finance Accountant;
  • For 8 years was Senior Examiner setting the Final Test of Professional Competence for CIPFA (Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy);
  • For several years I marked the exam scripts for the final level Advanced Financial Accounting Examination of the ACCA (Association of Chartered Certified Accountants;
  • Was for 22 years Senior Lecturer in Accounting at the University of Salford;
  • Am a former member of the Technical Review Committee of the Manchester Society of Chartered Accountants;

We submitted the ICAEW (Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales) technical guidance sheet on the required contents for FRS 102 Schedule 1A accounts as the basis of our concerns. 

 

2018/19 accounts are due next month.

Phenomenal qualifications. Be like a formula one driver taking on some shifts for Uber. 😳

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9 minutes ago, underdog said:

I know this is PTB thread but I thought I would be cheeky  (sorry chaps) just to put  a comparison of the Trust Directors quals and experience.

  • A Fellow of the Institute of Chartered Accountants and a also a Chartered Public Finance Accountant;
  • For 8 years was Senior Examiner setting the Final Test of Professional Competence for CIPFA (Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy);
  • For several years I marked the exam scripts for the final level Advanced Financial Accounting Examination of the ACCA (Association of Chartered Certified Accountants;
  • Was for 22 years Senior Lecturer in Accounting at the University of Salford;
  • Am a former member of the Technical Review Committee of the Manchester Society of Chartered Accountants;

We submitted the ICAEW (Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales) technical guidance sheet on the required contents for FRS 102 Schedule 1A accounts as the basis of our concerns. 

 

2018/19 accounts are due next month.

A teacher then

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10 minutes ago, Phoenix said:

A teacher then

Worked for KMPG...a big acvounts company..however i could have got the M and P the wrong way round

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17 minutes ago, simplythemostimportantkick said:

Phenomenal qualifications. Be like a formula one driver taking on some shifts for Uber. 😳

Seems that the club and trust are not seeing eye to eye over this.

 

We have agreed a last attempt...Trust treasurer to go in. He is an MD with JP Morgan at canary wharf.

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20 minutes ago, simplythemostimportantkick said:

Phenomenal qualifications. Be like a formula one driver taking on some shifts for Uber. 😳

 

I think I’ve had him 

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1 minute ago, underdog said:

Worked for KMPG...a big acvounts company..however i could have got the M and P the wrong way round

Surprised he doesn’t include employment with a big four firm but does include marking exam papers .....

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5 hours ago, nzlatic said:

Thinking about this issue over the rent, and I might be being too simplistic here, but surely when AL bought the club it was stated what the club's rent responsibilities were?  So should be there in black and white what he signed up to?

It probably became an issue for him when he found out the previous regime had not been required to pay it.

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3 minutes ago, Phoenix said:

Surprised he doesn’t include employment with a big four firm but does include marking exam papers .....

It is me copying over her response as there have been questioning raised mainly about her quals and knowledge

 

I daren't put in she is ex army haha

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