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It’s the image of Northern post-industrial squalor that is the problem, not the reality.

 

Erm, you reckon ? My cars been vanadlised 3 times in the last two months....I hear fights outside on a nightly basis....gangs of youths free to do as they please....parents who couldnt give a monkey..... thats very much reality of living in limeside/hollins/hollinwood...and many other areas in oldham....

 

I've lived in oldham on and off for 22 years (due to uni and living in the wifes town) and I see the Northern post-industrial squalor realities on a daily basis....

 

I do agree the perception is what drives these polls...and not every northern town is bad although the image says it is.....but I just think in Oldham's case they have it bang on!

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Erm, you reckon ? My cars been vanadlised 3 times in the last two months....I hear fights outside on a nightly basis....gangs of youths free to do as they please....parents who couldnt give a monkey..... thats very much reality of living in limeside/hollins/hollinwood...and many other areas in oldham....

 

I've lived in oldham on and off for 22 years (due to uni and living in the wifes town) and I see the Northern post-industrial squalor realities on a daily basis....

 

I do agree the perception is what drives these polls...and not every northern town is bad although the image says it is.....but I just think in Oldham's case they have it bang on!

My point is that every town has rough areas. Given that people don’t need to live within a 5 minute walk from their job, that’s no reason for people not to take a job in a town just because it isn’t all picture postcard. It’s hardly like everyone who moves to London lives in a Docklands penthouse, I’ve lived in parts of Croydon (look it up in lists of chavtowns/worst places to live) where rottweillers only go in groups of 3. If you are talking about a shortage of skilled people to take good jobs in Oldham, I just don’t think there is one. There are thousands of perfectly nice places to live within a half hour or 45 minute journey time, at much lower prices than in many areas of the country.

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If you are talking about a shortage of skilled people to take good jobs in Oldham, I just don’t think there is one.

 

I agree LL, there isn't a good job in Oldham. I'm skilled, live in Royton and have to work in Middeh. I would love to work in Oldham. :grin:

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My point is that every town has rough areas. Given that people don’t need to live within a 5 minute walk from their job, that’s no reason for people not to take a job in a town just because it isn’t all picture postcard. It’s hardly like everyone who moves to London lives in a Docklands penthouse, I’ve lived in parts of Croydon (look it up in lists of chavtowns/worst places to live) where rottweillers only go in groups of 3. If you are talking about a shortage of skilled people to take good jobs in Oldham, I just don’t think there is one. There are thousands of perfectly nice places to live within a half hour or 45 minute journey time, at much lower prices than in many areas of the country.

 

 

I see your point and its right.

 

My point is also right though. the truth is somwhere in the middle.

 

A new business will always face a up hill struggle recuriting good people. First of all you are competing for the best people against the bigger more established companies. You tend to find that the best regional people will be taken on by the bigger companies leaving the smaller companies picking at the rest. When you factor in location and communting times you will find small business relies upon a strong local work force which oldham lacks. its true and this is basic business studies stuff.

 

the motorway helps local business recruit regionally but may other local towns also benefit from the m62 etc....

 

we need more big business in the town which will stimulate loccal growth...

 

we need office space devlopment. business parks etc...exactly what will be at the new bp....give business a place to be and thrive

 

then we can make use of the stiudents coming out of our succesful sixth form college and stop the skill drain.....

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All town's have there bad spots, Oldham is not bad as some places I have visited, I have travelled with my job for 17 years and have been to lots of towns and city's in the UK and Europe that are worse than Oldham. London is one of the best and worse places I have ever worked in. I was gobsmacked when I first arrived by the state of the place i thought it was disgusting crime ridden and an disgrace to call it Britains Capital City! After a month of being there I had gotten into the swing of the place, and when I left after 6 months i loved the place!

 

There is a lack of decent jobs thoroughout the country not just Oldham, The UK is quickly becoming a country of service jobs, rather than the major manufacturing country we once were, this is not only due to the council in this town, (though I do agree with the comments on this board that they are crap and just looking out for themselves) but also to do with cheap foreign labour in countrys like Indian and China, that is why major employers are moving abroad because of profits plain and simple!!! My office is in Castleford West Yorkshire, that means when I'm not travelleing up and down the country and hour commute on the motorway which I suppose is how long it would take me to get into Manchester in the mornings so not that bad I guess.

 

As for all the Chavs that hang around street corners drinking and causing trouble bring back national service that will sort them right o

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The poles don't like oldham(honest)

i have lived in chadderton and middleton,and out of the 2 i would pick middleton if i could.

oldham has gone to the dogs,we used to have a market that was the best in england.now its not even the best on oldham.

 

national service....too many do-gooders to bring it back. they should do from the age of 16 until your 21,then if you dont geta job withing 12 months just enlist them.

change the drinking law to 21 as with the smoking law.and all under 16's off the streets by 6pm.

then maybe the place might be a little safer.

call it draconian measures, but something startling needs to be done.

 

if the stadium gets knocked back its the end for this club,the owners wont waste anymore time or money,and that would be a real shame.

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i have lived in chadderton and middleton,and out of the 2 i would pick middleton if i could.

oldham has gone to the dogs,we used to have a market that was the best in england.now its not even the best on oldham.

 

national service....too many do-gooders to bring it back. they should do from the age of 16 until your 21,then if you dont geta job withing 12 months just enlist them.

change the drinking law to 21 as with the smoking law.and all under 16's off the streets by 6pm.

then maybe the place might be a little safer.

call it draconian measures, but something startling needs to be done.

 

if the stadium gets knocked back its the end for this club,the owners wont waste anymore time or money,and that would be a real shame.

 

I'm doing my dissertation on the rise, golden age and ultimate decline of Tommyfield. My main argument in conclusion is going to be that Tommyfield's decay is a physical testimony to the death of a town that was once an industrial giant. But the town has always lacked facilities; here's a great quotation I unearthed from the Manchester Examiner and Times from 1852, just before Oldham's first (actually it was the 2nd but I won't get into that!) market hall was built and the open market moved to Tommyfield.

 

"Had the town of Oldham been placed under different circumstances or placed elsewhere or placed elsewhere, it would boast of park, promenades, the promotion of public health, of market, cafe, sand and reading rooms. But as Oldham is in the county of Lancaster it possesses neither baths, park, aquaduct, school or market deserving of the name; but instead it as innumerable taverns where people drown their senses in the fatal cup of circe. It has holes and its corners each containing its little knot of peddling politicians who agree in nothing but in the cordial hate they bear each other, it has its orators who detain instead of reform, who bluster patriotically and button their waistcoats pockets prudently , and who change their cash for scrip, for the laudable purpose of benefitting not themselves, the unwashed "Rougheads".

 

I was stunned when I came across this in the local studies archive. A lot has happened in the last 155 years yet the town has come full circle and again is bereft of any facilities. I just thought it was somewhat appropriate as we wait for the decision!

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I'm doing my dissertation on the rise, golden age and ultimate decline of Tommyfield. My main argument in conclusion is going to be that Tommyfield's decay is a physical testimony to the death of a town that was once an industrial giant. But the town has always lacked facilities; here's a great quotation I unearththed from the Manchester Examiner and Times from 1852, just before Oldham's first (actually it was the 2nd but I won't get into that!) market hall was built and the open market moved to Tommyfield.

 

"Had the town of Oldham been placed under different circumstances or placed elsewhere or placed elsewhere, it would boast of park, promenades, the promotion of public health, of market, cafe, sand and reading rooms. But as Oldham is in the county of Lancaster it possesses neither baths, park, aquaduct, school or market deserving of the name; but instead it as innumerable taverns where people drown their senses in the fatal cup of circe. It has holes and its corners each containing its little knot of peddling politicians who agree in nothing but in the cordial hate they bear each other, it has its orators who detain instead of reform, who bluster patriotically and button their waistcoats pockets prudently , and who change their cash for scrip, for the laudable purpose of benefitting not themselves, the unwashed "Rougheads".

 

I was stunned when I came across this in the local studies archive. A lot has happened in the last 155 years yet the town has come full circle and again is bereft of any facilities. I just thought it was somewhat appropriate as we wait for the decision!

 

I don't want to steal any of your thunder about Oldham's politicians.

 

However, regarding your "bereft of any facilities" comment, I think credit is due for the state of Oldham's parks. I have seen some of them first hand when taking my mother and mother-in-law out, and they really are a credit to the town.

 

http://www.oldhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/s/2...ags_flying.html

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I don't want to steal any of your thunder about Oldham's politicians.

 

However, regarding your "bereft of any facilities" comment, I think credit is due for the state of Oldham's parks. I have seen some of them first hand when taking my mother and mother-in-law out, and they really are a credit to the town.

 

http://www.oldhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/s/2...ags_flying.html

which parks exactly??

 

i know foxdenton park is ok as i take my children there,and chaddy park,as i play bowls there.

 

however i havent been in werneth park for something like 15 years,after i was chased out by a gang of asian youths.telling me it was there park now.

the same with alexandra park,which in its heyday when i was a kid was a fantastic park,the boating lake,the ferry,the cafe and the annual bonfire show.

 

tandle hills park is a disgrace,there is so much oppertunity to turn it into something special but it is neglected,there used to be a small animal park there but now nothing.

 

as for other facilities where are they??? if you want to watch a film you have to go to rochdale,bury,ashton or manchester,same with bowling.

other towns have these a plenty and are thriving,our town is just a dump which people dont want to waste there time and money in.

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which parks exactly??

 

i know foxdenton park is ok as i take my children there,and chaddy park,as i play bowls there.

 

however i havent been in werneth park for something like 15 years,after i was chased out by a gang of asian youths.telling me it was there park now.

the same with alexandra park,which in its heyday when i was a kid was a fantastic park,the boating lake,the ferry,the cafe and the annual bonfire show.

 

tandle hills park is a disgrace,there is so much oppertunity to turn it into something special but it is neglected,there used to be a small animal park there but now nothing.

 

as for other facilities where are they??? if you want to watch a film you have to go to rochdale,bury,ashton or manchester,same with bowling.

other towns have these a plenty and are thriving,our town is just a dump which people dont want to waste there time and money in.

 

Totally agree.....its shocking the decline of alexandra park. There is nothing in this town other than pubs and indian resturants. Yet all are neighbours have cinemas, bowling alleys etc

 

The town centre has not seen any investment in about 15 years or so.

 

Oldham sports centre is rotting away. The once fantastic queen elizabeth hall is now a dump with its main use being the oldham beer festival .

Nither business or entertainment has a foot hold in this ruin down town..... its unacceptably bad......

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I don't want to steal any of your thunder about Oldham's politicians.

 

However, regarding your "bereft of any facilities" comment, I think credit is due for the state of Oldham's parks. I have seen some of them first hand when taking my mother and mother-in-law out, and they really are a credit to the town.

 

http://www.oldhamadvertiser.co.uk/news/s/2...ags_flying.html

 

 

I suppose you mean the recently refurbished Alexandra Park, I haven't been for years. It became a no-go area in the late 80's and I haven't been since. The wife's been with the kids and was very complimentary about the park's face-lift. Werneth Park is a dump full of doggy do-do. Copsterhill Park has always been rough, ditto Stoneleigh. Chadderton Hall and Foxdenton are probably the two where you can feel you can let your kids play in peace. As Ed says in his post my comments are re: a town bereft of facilities was aimed at a council that has seen a number of swimming pools close, a once world-famous market die a slow painful death, numerous cinemas close over the last 25 years, no-bowling alley and a town-centre that is a chav, dunk infested hang-out for over-aged dregs waiting for their next incapacity chequeue. That's why I re-enrolled into full-time education (In 2004) when I was 27, this town is on its arse, I have some skills but felt if I was to get out of this town permanently I would have to retrain professionally, ( I'm glad I did as the company I worked for went bust 6 months after I left)rather than get stuck in the service industry. I'm now in the last year of my degree and I am planning to take my PGCE next year and I'm not bothered where I move to to take up a teaching post - at home or furher along abroad. I just want to leave this cesspool of a town! My wife agrees, she's a nurse and we've already looked at emigrating, although that may be some way off, in two or three years the only thing that will bring me to Oldham will be to see our families and make the pilgrimage to BP!

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I know that a lot of people didn’t use parks in the last 15 years because of fears of safety and crime, but I would recommend everyone to take a stroll through those that have been restored to their former glory, and Alexandra Park in particular, to appreciate what a wonderful job has been done. Alexandra Park has been described by the Director of the National Parks Agency as the ‘finest park in the land’.

 

This dramatic improvement has been achieved by the Council taking advantage of every grant opportunity available and overcoming urban deprivation, vandalism, funding cuts and politics to create one of the most successful parks departments in the country. It operates a modern apprenticeship scheme, which in these days is something to be applauded. I know one of the lads in the Chaddy End has benefited from this scheme. It gives the apprentices the opportunity to develop a career in Horticulture, with the possibility of becoming Gardeners, Landscape Architects or Arboricultural Officers. The scheme has been recognised with a feature on TV’s ‘Gardeners’ World’.

 

It’s easy to quote all the parks that haven’t been restored yet, but it’s a start and hopefully these efforts to improve parks in Oldham will go some way towards improving community spirit.

 

Oldham has 7 Green Flag parks - the award is based on how welcoming the parks are, their safety and good maintenance, and how involved the local community is in their running. There are links below for each of the Green Flag winners. I’ve been in Foxdenton, Chadderton Hall and Alexandra Parks and they are superb. I intend to go in the others in due course.

 

I don’t want to take anything away from the justified criticism of Oldham Council and the lack of facilities, but I just want to give credit where I consider it is due.

 

 

Alexandra Park:

http://www.greenflagaward.org.uk/winners/w...mp;gsId=GF00444

 

The Brownhill Centre:

http://www.greenflagaward.org.uk/winners/w...mp;gsId=GF00139

 

Chadderton Hall Park:

http://www.greenflagaward.org.uk/winners/w...mp;gsId=GF00601

 

Coalshaw Green Park:

http://www.greenflagaward.org.uk/winners/w...mp;gsId=GF00184

 

Foxdenton Park:

http://www.greenflagaward.org.uk/winners/w...mp;gsId=GF00808

 

High Crompton Park:

http://www.greenflagaward.org.uk/winners/w...mp;gsId=GF00149

 

Stoneleigh Park:

http://www.greenflagaward.org.uk/winners/w...mp;gsId=GF00118

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The fishal site says more work on traffic and environmental issues is needed and a decision is expected on the planning application by mid-October. That's more hopeful than the application being thrown out and having to be resubmitted.

 

http://www.oldhamathletic.premiumtv.co.uk/...1112207,00.html

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The fishal site says more work on traffic and environmental issues is needed and a decision is expected on the planning application by mid-October. That's more hopeful than the application being thrown out and having to be resubmitted.

 

http://www.oldhamathletic.premiumtv.co.uk/...1112207,00.html

 

Yeah totally agree, thats pritty standard request, asking for more work on evirormental and traffic issues.....so far so good!!

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Yeah totally agree, thats pritty standard request, asking for more work on evirormental and traffic issues.....so far so good!!

hopefully the plans will be approved.sounds daft but if the club offered to retarmac broadway they would probably go through.

 

at the end of the day the traffic restrictions around bp are down to the council anyway,they put the speed bumps in place,and the mini roundabout,and closed off the bottom of furtherwood road.

 

but i suppose thats the clubs fault for being there.

 

as for other facilities.shocking really.

they have closed chadderton baths because of a dangerous roof which would cost 250k to fix,but they have unveiled plans for a new purpose built leisure centre incorperating the baths,the library and other things at a cost of 5 million.there is nothing wrong with the library,the only reason the council is doing this is because the library,old police station and old baths are worth a fortune as real estate.

 

this towns been dead for years,yet our concil tax always rises to pay for the closure and abandonment of other services we need.

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Until the economy looks alittle healthier there wont be any work on the stadium, as Blitz said on the TalkSport interview. The bank wont lend us the money at the minute etc.

 

With the banks in the USA being bailed out by the goverment we should start to see banks lending money again soon hopefully....

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*Random email time*

 

If you had purchased £1000 of Northern Rock shares one year ago it would now be worth £4.95, with HBOS, earlier this week your £1000 would have been worth £16.50, £1000 invested in XL Leisure would now be worth less than £5, but if you bought £1000 worth of Tennents Lager one year ago, drank it all, then took the empty cans to an aluminium re-cycling plant, you would get £150. So based on the above statistics the best current investment advice is to drink heavily and re-cycle.

 

Why anyone would want to drink a grand's worth of Tennents is a bit beyond me, but anyway...

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Until the economy looks alittle healthier there wont be any work on the stadium, as Blitz said on the TalkSport interview. The bank wont lend us the money at the minute etc.

Does that statement suggest that TTA have considered a bank loan to start the development work secured on the future sale price of the land :mmm:? Shame the banks wouldn't do it, we maynot have had to be 3 sided for so long :(

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*Random email time*

 

If you had purchased £1000 of Northern Rock shares one year ago it would now be worth £4.95, with HBOS, earlier this week your £1000 would have been worth £16.50, £1000 invested in XL Leisure would now be worth less than £5, but if you bought £1000 worth of Tennents Lager one year ago, drank it all, then took the empty cans to an aluminium re-cycling plant, you would get £150. So based on the above statistics the best current investment advice is to drink heavily and re-cycle.

 

Why anyone would want to drink a grand's worth of Tennents is a bit beyond me, but anyway...

What an advert!

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