GlossopLatic

It's not the fans fault the players have shit the bed in the last month and a half of the season however I'm not sure it gives us the right to hurl abuse either. While I'm abit bemused at some of the opinions I hear at Boundary Park, which have left me asking what game are you watching I don't think BP has been massively toxic, it only really turned toxic to David Unsworth in his final few games. Apart from that I don't think it's been that bad from my observations. I don't think social media helps as it amplifies the noise quite alot too.

I know I know but sometimes you just really sound like him . He did actually say that season tickets weren't a big deal and even advocated scraping them all together. FWIW Someone once came on here and accused me of being Neil Joy (he lives around Glossop) we all laugh about that now it even resulted in me going on the podcast and effectively clearing my name.

That's exactly what Wiseowl used to say.

So there are 10 players out of contract let's also say that we get 4 players who are contracted out the door too. We won't sell them but enough to get them out on loan or go to another club where we don't fully pay up their contract but we have to give them something and it reduces the wage bill enough that we are allowed to bring in another player (4 out 1 in) Dallas Sachdev and Walker all go back then you have cleared enough space their easily to bring in an entirely new team. Aslong as we don't slash the wage bill which I don't think they will the Rothwells are going knowhere. Its going to be a busy summer but their is still no reason we can't start next season with a far better side than we have now.

Call me a cock eyed optimist but I'm getting one because I believe we can win promotion next year.

You wouldn't sign James Berry?

Think you are missing the point slightly those teams are probably up for it going to Chesterfield but Chesterfield have dealt with it we haven't that's the difference.

But it's a storm we weathered one part of getting promotion will be the ability to go away from home in deep winter to clubs who's away ends resemble bus stops not play well and grind out a win I don't mind that. What we've probably learned is that it's not the only way of winning you have to find wins in other scenarios such as being at home against smaller teams who get men behind the ball, or who see coming to Boundary Park as a big game and are massively up for it such as Fylde and Kidderminster, which is where we have really struggled.

I wouldn't say their is much hype or much waxing lyrical more a case people saying he's a player that has abit of potential.

I've gone for release all except Fondop. That should be enough wiggle room to improve the squad significantly. That's before we think about the contracted players. I have a horrible feeling that Mcgahey will get another year he shouldn't but its quite possible that Mellon likes him.

Probably because he's a work in progress. I'm just watching Bunch of Amateurs Marc Whites team talk was that you can beat Oldham by out working us. Theirs something in that we are low energy team and the team needs some youthful enthusiasm.

Could well be I'm not sure if it is then it's something to think about certainly if other brands as you put it are being used and are working for other club's.

Absolutely it needs the right personalities I'm not advocating signing players purely off stats, for stats and data to be effective they need to be interpretated properly anyway. Their is still very much room for scouting. Thomas Frank at Brentford said that while they use data analysis they still very much use scouting by the eyes as he put it to identify talent. As for can this work in the national league and the examples of ourselves and York being the only clubs using it suggest it doesn't. My arguement would be here is that aslong as you can collect the same amount of accurate data then their is no reason why it can't be a useful tool to help us find value for money signings. While only 2 clubs use it now its more likely than not that more and more clubs will use it going forwards as it becomes more accessible and more sophisticated. Its important to look at the future possibilities and not just the current results.

Interesting point this and one I think we can relate to the fact that we have an old side. Of yesterday's starting 11 only 1 is under 24 that is Sachdev who isn't even our player. I think we need to start looking at young hungry players who can add energy to the team. I've said above about the need to embrace change and I very much stand by that but if we can learn one lesson from the past is that signing young hungry players possibly with a point to prove is something that works for us.

Again I think you are assuming or as you put it hypothesising on what the problem is. FYI I'm guilty of coming to Conclusions without knowing all the information too so I'm not trying to come from a holier than thou position on this, it could well be that the stats bomb data analysis hasn't delivered what we hoped it would do. The point Im making here which is critical here is that we learn the right lessons from this and understand exactly why we haven't got value for money based on the actual full evidence rather than any hypothesis. Youve also got to look in which way the world is going. The one where you are suggesting the manager calls all the shots which the way the likes of Royle Ferguson and Clough no longer exists. Alot of the work is delegated out to people top clubs have an army of coaches data scientists fitness people recruitment people etc. The fact that all the successful clubs are doing this should leave a clue as to what we will need to do to be successful in the future. We can carry on doing what we've always done and praying that doing the same thing will lead to success when it hasn't done for 30 years or we can embrace change and understand that we need to look forwards rather than backwards. Having come to Oldham for the last 30 years I've watched a team and a town that has been left further and further behind and their seems to be a lack of appetite at times to change things and embrace the future it's time we did that.