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I’m thinking his defeated attitude is because the answer to change things is a new squad and he knows he had most of this squad for another 12 months.  It has to be on his mind to get out of this by leaving. It will be interesting to see how this all pans out. 

8 hours ago, TwistingMyMellon said:

 

We've already got a Manager who takes no nonsense though..

Very true, and IMO a big factor in why this season has turned to shit. We have to many players which can’t take criticism.  A manager who continued to support the players publicly (in that I include to the media as well as in the open changing room) while challenging them to improve privately, MAY have done better in keeping them from downing tools as they have done this last couple of months.

Imagine the comments on this forum though, if the manager had continued to spout generic meaningless post match interviews.

So we mostly agree we NEED a new squad, but we can’t have one next year. So do we change the manager and hope the next one can stay friends with them all, or do we back the manager for another whole season and probably starting the next season (with his own players)?  A dilemma!

53 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:

Who Mellon, 100%.

 

Call me what you want I don't care but please don't start piping shit up when a teams gone out again, been comprehensively outplayed and had their bellies tickled, again.

 

We are currently on our worst winless run in about 15 years. Like I said from Royle down they can all get in the bin for me because they are shit, incompetent and have little desire to succeed. A fucking embarrassment the lot of them.

The truth is I agree that we need big changes. The players stopped playing for Mellon, some weeks ago. A quite similar squad stopped playing for Unsworth. Until last week I was hoping they would sort it out and start playing again.  Clearly the fault lies with Mellon’s man management. It also lies with a group of players who have twice, arguably, three times got managers sacked.

I don’t know where we start. By the way the name for someone who hates everyone is Misanthrope. ( I looked it up.)

4 hours ago, yarddog73 said:

Oh dear the apologist has turned up, as a 'club' they've performed piss poor in this regard since Frank walked in the door two years ago, you want to give them another summer without anybody asking a question or receiving any answers?. Something is fundamentally wrong with the recruitment of players yet we appear to be just ploughing down the same route again and again, what's changing this summer then?.

If I’m an “apologist”, let’s give you a name, erm , I’m struggling to find a word for “I hate everyone”. 
 

How many players did you want to retain? You don’t fancy Mellon and now everyone with anything to do with recruitment have performed “piss poor”:

Kind of loosing credibility isn’t it?

13 minutes ago, PeteG said:

I'm not sure whether you get this thread? It's titled - Let the inquest begin! We are discussing what went wrong this season and i'm actually referring to the recruitment during last summer. I've not mentioned 1 signing during the season and also cited other reasons imo why it went so badly wrong.

My apologies, so you were critical of the Unsworth regime. Fair enough. I thought the inquest was about the more recent failure to stay in the playoffs. 

19 minutes ago, deyres42 said:

You don't exile someone and then leave them training in the place you have removed them from...

So you are the manager, what approach do you take.  You have a contracted player who you know you will not pick in your match day squad.

7 hours ago, yarddog73 said:

Now we are a charity...

No, I think you will find we are just honouring the contracts which have been signed.

9 hours ago, daniel said:

We used to complain about unprofessionalism when we banished unwanted 1st team squad members to train with the kids under AL….. 

Actually I used to complain it was bullying. The old regime used to try to make life hell so people would leave or behave in a way which could be used to sack them.

17 hours ago, PeteG said:

It also needs balls to see it through and not pander to the naysayers when you hit a rough patch. It means having the right people in place in the first instance. We appeared to be doing this and I understand mistakes will be made and some people will need to be replaced such as Unsworth but we seem to have ripped up the whole plan completely by getting rid of the recruitment team at the same time. We chased players like Willoughby Lundstram and the lad from Gateshead (can't even think of his name now) yet then went and signed Norwood and Raglan last minute because they were too good to turn down and there agents no doubt came knocking looking for a payday. I'm not saying these weren't decent players but they weren't in the plan and resulted in the above players and the likes of Reid and Nuttall getting little time to play or settle in. Who knows what that did to the squad morale? Suddenly the plan was out of the window and were throwing anything and everything at it. We need a clear plan now and we need to hear from the club officially what it entails so we can all buy into it. Start again but I'm fearful it will be on a much reduced budget now. We've lost 2 years and a lot of potential momentum and goodwill.

You are completely ignoring the fact that most recruitment occurs in the off-season. During the season you will be lucky if teams release their “good and physically reliable” players. 
 

Why don’t you reserve your criticism of the club in this regard until we see how they perform this summer. 

Exactly. I’m sure it was the change from nice new manager, to one demanding more from the players.  This group are allergic to criticism.  Instead of pulling up their big boy pants, they just start pretending to play.

A few on here have criticised MM’s team selection, and really selections have  been strange.  My instinct is that he is picking the few players he feels have pride and will try.  McGahey being an example as well as Gardner. ( unfortunately they really just doesn’t have it anymore)

Where do you suggest funding comes from? 
 

Academies have to be self funding. A good few years ago I remember it being £400,000 to fund the academy for a year. It will be considerably more now. The youngsters can be poached by other clubs. 
 

So the whole philosophy of the club has to be that young players will be integrated and trusted to play in the first team early on, or else the good ones will sign somewhere else.  We as a club don’t tend to be able to bring many through. Hence there are no transfer fees adding up to the running costs, let alone profits. 
 

It’s a business decision.

Winners need to react quicker, move quicker and maintain your effort longer then the opposition. If players want to play for their team mates, manager, club organisation, trophies and fans, then motivation to winning effort levels is easier for players to achieve.  I’m hope most of us would agree the inconsistent team performances suggest this is a more important issue right now them the fact we haven’t signed a right back and have to many centre backs.

So, taking all that onboard, it is ease to see that all these factors are important.  Those of us who blame the booing fans for the players lack of effort are correct.  Those of us who blame the manager are correct etc etc. So is it useful for us on the forum to argue which of the factors is the only one that matters?

So my main point is that the one and only of those many factors that we as fans can influence directly is the matchday experience for players. Will those players be more likely to find the motivation to up effort levels if we boo them or cheer them?

1 hour ago, AndyB2 said:

You’re nice 

Who do you think AndyB2 is? Surely he is a renaming of someone who has been on before. Someone who talks/posts so much would not just have 157 posts. 
 

Any ideas?

Were there Away fans in the home crowd like people were worried about?

11 minutes ago, trickyrickyholden said:

Only makes you think if you don't understand how numbers work....

10 hours ago, diggleblue said:

Mellon interview. He's quote" thoroughly pissed off." I love him. Slowly the real Scott is emerging. I suspect the players got a right bollocking post match after today.

The problem is that the players are needing and getting more bollockings. There comes a point where players don’t want to be here anymore and are trapped because they are showing to poorly on the pitch for other teams to be interested. We can’t get rid because they are contracted. 
 

Managers usually come in to the club being personally supportive, encouraging and publicly supportive too. With successive poor performances, criticism in the dressing room becomes necessary, however much the manager knows he is taking a risk that performances may actually get worse because you may piss off modern players.  Then when players don’t respond, the manager starts going public.  It’s a sign that the manager is loosing the dressing room.  Very worrying that we are getting to this point at such a critical point in the season.

8 hours ago, BP1960 said:

 

I won't give any love to repeated

turgid home perfornces.

Would you continue loving  a restaurant who served up sub standard meals at £20 or even if they offered you a watered down discount?

We have the ingredients (wingers) who can change the menu to be much more appetising, but the chef prefers bland hard to swallow  products.

 

 

Depends if I had identified that the reason the food dished up was poor was simple because the chef was scared of what I may say about his food.  Giving him some love may get some worldy football, sorry food (I forgot what we were talking about! )

11 hours ago, Ritchierich said:

Sounds like another horrific home performance, thank the Lord we only have 4 h9me games left and 5 away. Also, tonight puts paid to the silly idea that we could finish 2nd or 3rd, we need to focus on scraping 07th

How can a clean sheet 0:0 performance be “horrific”. Wow some of our fans still expect NL players to be as good as those worth 50 million.

9 hours ago, BP1960 said:

 

Performances indicate that, the players seem scared of playing  at home, hence the hoofball.

So you have decided poor performances occur because the players are scared at home.  
 

I think you will find it is more complicated then that! 
 

BTW BP, if you do believe what you say, you could start by giving them some love rather then criticism.

2 hours ago, LightDN123 said:

I’m in the same boat as you on Hammond. He consistently loses the ball. 

So you would be happier if he quickly gets rid of the ball hoofball style?

We have to many of those don’t we. 
 

He is young and learning his trade, but he has ability. I would rather he tries things and sometimes looses the ball then he just passes back or boots it.

I think he is trying to put out a team that will compete for the ball.

Apart from Green, they are the players most likely to show some fight and pride. Hopefully Green will make something happen going forward.

31 minutes ago, BP1960 said:

 

I don't think Norman Hunter or Billy Bremner gave anyone an inch of space.

But when you weren’t playing Leeds—

5 hours ago, spanishfly said:

Interesting observation, Guy. There's no doubt that the game is much faster nowadays and players are fitter and physically stronger. Standard wise, though, I definitely saw more individual skill back in the day. I doubt I`ll ever see the likes of Groves, Stainrod, Valentine, McVitie, Shaw etc. in a Latics shirt again to be honest. Agree it's like comparing apples and pears really though. If those players could time travel forward, how would they look now? We'll never know but of one thing I`m pretty certain, nobody today would beat David Shaw for pace from a standing start over 20 yards. Perhaps only Warhurst and Barrett may have stood a fighting chance in my history of watching us. Oh and to have Simon Stainrod and his silky skills up front now, just superb to watch.

 

Anyway, I`m being positive and looking forward to a victory tonight, only wish I could be there to see us perform away from home.

They had time to control and play back then.  Now if a player does a step over and looses the ball they get roasted.

7 hours ago, BP1960 said:

 

Good job Bobby Johnstone never wore a tracker vest to measure his running, he'd have been disciplined for not covering more than 100 yards in a full match.

Another trendy gadget. Never mind football at BP will be played by robots in the future where the team can be properly programmed to play 7 at the back by a schoolkid in Japan.

I think you will find that the introduction of GPS was not to discipline players for being lazy.  The main reason it is used is to track the work load muscles have done and try to predict a player at risk of injury, so their training can be altered.

I can assure you the average player is much fitter in a cardiovascular sense now then back in the 80s and 90s. That includes the teams we are playing who are much further down the league. That’s why we are not simply fitter then other teams and actually need to be more switched on (react to second balls first) and physically aggressive to get to the ball ahead in a 50:50.

5 minutes ago, BP1960 said:

 

I wonder who our sports therapist was in the 1990s when sometimes the same players played 3 times in a week and still gave everything?

Cant play twice a week! what a load of trendy mumbo jumbo.

Part time players work a full shift and play midweek games on a regular basis due the many extra local cup competitions they take part in.

Some of our players don't play for weeks and still look tired.

If they did come in on a Sunday it wouldn't  be a full pelt training session anyway, more of a realisation poor performances have their consequences.  That goes for the Manager and coach too who should set an example.

 

 

I’m beginning to understand McFluff a little better.

I thought we were discussing why the players looked leggy (your word). 
you seemed BP, to be suggesting extra training without time to recover would help. I hope you are not suggesting playing 3 times a week will give them even more energy.

Often in Big Joe’s day, if we were playing twice a week he wouldn’t have the players train in between except to work on shape and game plan.  I’m guessing that was so the players wouldn’t look leggy.