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Back Mellon, break the cycle that has got us here over the last 30 years. The man is proven, he is not the issue. 

4 hours ago, BradKnowles1 said:

Thought it was two poor teams. Other than the goals we scored we did not create or test the keeper. Golden the type of right back which we have been missing for two years. Number 22 for them was shite but had Suttons pants down time and time again. 
 

I was shocked in the last 5 minutes we did not throw the kitchen sink at it. Free kick last kick of the game we still had Mcgahey and Hudson back.

 

I’m not going to blame fans for the shit show and they have the right to do it but I don’t understand booing them on, booing Norwood on, booing at the end.

 

People saying why aren’t the players celebrating when Gardner scored it’s probably because they are booed every week 

Yes, you can’t continue to boo players for no reason and expect them to care. Fans need to look at themselves as much as the players and manager. 

Recruitment is the most important part of football. We failed at it. 

Hallam Hope is so fucking slow it’s painful to watch. Night and day when Green went off. 
 

No creativity. No pace. No effort.

Sheron comes on, with his first touch pumps it out of play. Great to see. 

Why are we not even joining the counter attacks? 

Doesn’t count, pens don’t count 

6 minutes ago, BP1960 said:

Let's be realistic, we are level but its a dreadful performance. 

The passing is non existence. Dallas giving a good impression of Nuttall, always second to the ball. 

Conlon half hearted, McGahey turning like a juggernaut.

Only Gardner showing anything.

The Halifax right back is the type we need.

We can't be having this next season.

 

Agreed, the Halifax right back is exactly what we need. 
 

He’s not even particularly great, he’s just an average right back. Loads of them about, yet we havnt been able to sign one. 

Hudson

1 minute ago, latics22 said:

Yes 

Considering he’s absolutely shit and been on the bench for about a month, I  don’t think it is. 

How many goals scored across that team ? 6 ? 

8 minutes ago, mcfluff1985 said:

Sheron benched again. Shocking

Is it ?

Hogan left back

15 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

It’s not necessarily the fact it’s 0v0 at ht it’s the fact that invariably we haven’t even had a shot on target or even a shot on goal!

You have to remember this is the 5th division, entitled or not, we are 30 years in the wilderness and people (me included) can’t get their head around where we find ourselves.

Add the fact that we are now 2 seasons into the Rothwell era and unfortunately any improvements on the playing side have so far failed to materialise.

It’s all about frustration really.

Booing at half time when you are 0-0 and very much still in the game is ridiculous, no matter what level you are playing at or how many shots you have had. 
 

The only purpose it serves is devaluing when a boo is warranted. The players probably think what’s the point, they will boo anyway.

People will say it’s only a boo and the players should get over it. But the reality is, we are getting a reputation for getting on players backs. 
 

We have improved looking at the two years in isolation. It might not be to our expectations, but we have improved. 

Just now, League one forever said:

Yeah defo, as is ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ when we conceded in the first ten minutes. 

Yep… 

I hate to bring it up and you can have whatever opinion on how he’s done for us as anyone likes. 
 

But the chants to Norwood about being overpaid at the Oxford game was a bit of a joke. We arnt different to other fans, but I don’t think you’d get many fans chanting that way to their top scorer.

Hogan was getting grief, that’s more warranted in my opinion. 
 

Reiterate, it’s not the fans fault. But some of the actions of our fans, at times, is utterly bizzare and comes across as self sabotage. 

2 minutes ago, Ackey said:

 

At what point do we have to look at a guy who's been a serial winner at this level and wonder if he's the problem (some of the criticism above is very reasonable and fair), or if it's us.

 

Something has to give. Is changing the manager changing every 12-18 months the answer? Has it ever been?

He gets my backing until he fails with a team that is his and balanced. 
 

This squad has such obvious weaknesses that it’s impossible to even judge the man. As you say, he’s been promoted out this league twice, has 5 promotions. I’m pretty sure he’s not the issue and it just might be the club that has been in a constant decline for 30 years… 

15 minutes ago, League one forever said:

I just think that’s self protection against getting your hopes up. It’s easier to say- ‘we’re fucked’ than it is to say ‘I know we keep losing, but you never know’ 
 

Also- It’s very very difficult to clap and encourage shite. Or to keep your belief when the players looked lost or half arsed. Fans tend to reflect the players. When they’re at it, the crowd is up. When they’re miles off (again) the booing starts. 
 

 

Yeah true. On the flip side, it’s inevitable the players will have bad games and preform badly in spells, we need to be prepared for that. 
 

The booing has gone past being ridiculous. Fans boo when it’s 0-0 at half time these days, it’s cringeworthy.

4 minutes ago, League one forever said:

Tell you what was weird. 
 

The apathy of being in the playoffs in Jan and Feb. 
 

The apathy or non acknowledgment of brilliant away form as a way to judge how we were doing overall at that time. 
 

What isn’t weird is fans becoming disillusioned, angry, apathetic when we look a mile off it game after game, and go on a run of one win in 9.  

Completely agree.
 

But on that last point, we have plenty of time to just give up and be angry. For me, whilst we can still get into the playoffs, which is the aim. We should be supporting the team but us fans gave up on that about a month ago. 
 

Im not supporting the manager or players, to make it clear. But if people think we arnt going to go on a losing streak at some point next season, they are wrong. What we going to do, boo the players and call them shite again ?

I like Mellon. But I cringe when he says lines like that. It’s just not true is it. 

2 hours ago, JoeP said:

 

The fans accepted it was over because of what was happening on the pitch.  How are the fans supposed to change that, when they can't encourage, criticise or even stay silent, because of the supposed negative effects it has?

 

It's nothing to do with the fans.  The players and management have created the air of resignation.  If the players are influencing the players that much, we need new players.

You are missing the point. Ah well. 

2 minutes ago, JoeP said:

 

Sorry, that is nonsense.

 

Sing encouragement?  The players can't handle the pressure..

Criticise?  The fans make a toxic atmosphere..

Do absolutely jack shit and stay silent? The fans should be lifting the team!

 

The fans cannot win and it's a complete and utter cop-out blaming them.

 

What would really fuck me off more than losing these next two games is winning both of them in style and missing out on the play-offs.  The players have had umpteen chances - for the fans, for the club, for themselves to make this a successful season and they've chosen to approach a load of crucial games like it's a knockabout in the park.

 

If the fans are having that much influence on it - we need to get rid of the lot and spend money on personalities ahead of perceived talent.  Players who genuinely want to be here and who want to do well for themselves and the others involved.  Players who who won't sulk when the chips are down.  Players who will encourage others and work hard.

 

This lot tick none of those boxes...

I’m not saying it’s the fans fault. I am saying that we all accepted the season was over probably about 5 games to early. 

We are all responsible for that. Manager, players and fans. 

This team piss me off as much as anyone. Just all seemed to go down hill quickly. 

2 minutes ago, oafc1955 said:

You have to be taking the piss!! Fans have followed them in numbers all over the fucking place this season and got practically nothing in return.

Even the Athleticos have been very subdued over the last few weeks and the disconnection between fan & player is as bad as I’ve ever witnessed.

Total responsibility has to be taken by the management and this absolutely horrendous squad of serial underachievers!

 

As an example, at the Oxford game the fans were fighting amongst themselves, chanting against our players and management. 
 

Which I completely understand, but not when we are still in it, which we was during that game and at that point. 

1 minute ago, oafc1955 said:

You have to be taking the piss!! Fans have followed them in numbers all over the fucking place this season and got practically nothing in return.

Even the Athleticos have been very subdued over the last few weeks and the disconnection between fan & player is as bad as I’ve ever witnessed.

Total responsibility has to be taken by the management and this absolutely horrendous squad of serial underachievers!

 

I’m not having a go at the fans, as such. 
 

I am simply saying the atmosphere and the acceptance that we arnt going to make the play offs seemed to set in far earlier than it should have. I include myself in that. 
 

It is strange how early we kind of accepted defeat in all honesty, and I do think us as fans have to take some form of responsibility for that. 
 

Going into Easter weekend it was all to play for with a lot of games left. But even before that weekend it felt like we had accepted defeat. In reality, we needed a couple of wins.
 

Appreciate the first 30mins of the Fylde game killed a lot of hope. But going into the Alti game, a win would have gone a long way. But the crowd was absolutely dead and it felt like we accepted the inevitable. 
 

Mellon has a role to play in all this as he was giving off the impression he didn’t really believe it was achievable, he did this way to soon. 
 

It is a bizzare end to the season. We are to far off and to many variables out of our control at this point to make it into the playoffs, imo. But the reality is, we were a win and a draw away from going into the last game with a very strong chance of playoffs. 
 

Weird.