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2 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:
Think I called it with 6 matches remaining we'd need to win four of them. We could've just won one!
Really shows the poor level of quality underneath the top 4 or so, doesn't it? An overhaul in midfield and a right back and I can't see us being any less than 4th next season.
It was ever thus.
Unsworth had us bottom four at new year, we won a few in the second half of the season and finished top half, I think we were something like 3/4 wins short of making the playoffs.
This season we were 5th in Feb, and only needed to win 3/4 of our final 11 games. . . to finish in the playoffs. Just another reminder of how unbelievably shit you can be and finish 7th.
Unless you are worse than unbelievably shit.
Night.
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2 hours ago, kowenicki said:
The season just won’t die will it…
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1 hour ago, yarddog73 said:
You could make a case for Green and Fondop, anyone whose voted for anyone else just doesn't want us to do well or doesn't like football.
Mikey has contributed and I agree is the only one worth a deal, but as Light says you can’t offer him a deal and then ask the board to pay up others.
I’ll drive Green wherever he wants to go. 10 minute spells every 3/4 games is nowhere near enough.
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1 hour ago, LightDN123 said:
Mellon would look pretty silly offering anyone an extension in my opinion. He’s just said in his interview that the board need to support him getting players out the door. To then offer certain players a deal would be the complete opposite of what he’s requested.
Everyone out of contract should be released, no extensions required.
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12 minutes ago, disjointed said:
Can't see Green being on 1k a week. We got him from the dog and duck reserves didn't we.
Telford in NLN.
I think that’s very feasible especially coming up a division.
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35 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:
I’m going. I want the chance to willy wave about it in 20 years when we’re hoovering up the Championship title.
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33 minutes ago, welshgaz said:
Harrison is on 800 a week as he signed during the Abdallah embargo days. same for Hope.
Well, if that’s true- I’d guess at the others as,
Langley £500
Couto £500
Harrison £800
Bren 1K
Dan £1500
Green 1k
Tollit £800
Windass £500
Mikey 1k
Hope £800
If I’m anywhere in the ball park - that’s 8.4K a week off the wage bill.
What does that get us?
8 ok players on 1k
5 good players on 1.5k
Even with this fag packet guessing it’s not difficult to see how difficult it’s going to be in the summer.
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12 minutes ago, Londonboy said:
They haven't been though have they.....??
Over a season the table doesn't lie!
We are 12 points off 4th top and 12 off 4th bottom.
Yes MM needs to take some accountability on tactics, selection etc but at the end of the day based on what's been put out on the field we are fucking average on this tinpot league and unless he changes some personnel and his tactics it will be the same next season.
I think we’re agreed?
The players who have nearly all played higher or won promotion have been bang average over the course of season, and have underachieved. However, they haven’t been helped by poor tactics, and also a complete imbalance with players regularly playing out of position or playing multiple positions- because we don’t have a balanced squad.
Be nice next season if right back isn’t a centre half.
If left back cover isn’t a centre half.
If defensive midfielder isn’t a centre half.
If centre mid don’t play RWB.
If our only winger doesn’t LWB.
If forwards don’t play midfield.
If our star striker doesn’t play out wide.
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2 hours ago, Lee Sinnott said:
Every time I listen to one of his interviews, I become more convinced that he's going to resign after the Wealdstone game...
There is absolutely zero chance he’s walking away from a contract with two years to run.
I could however see him and the club falling out about the direction of the club (as he did at Tranmere) and leaving by mutual consent.
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4 hours ago, TheBigDog said:
I've had a season ticket for 35 years and will be renewing but its fair to say that it is more in hope than expectation. I have no faith that Mellon will become the manager who leads us back to the EFL. There needs to be a lot of manoeuvering and a number of shrewd acquisitions to start with a squad that meets Mellon's "I know what good looks like" mantra.
My fear is that the financial restrictions for next season will not allow Mellon to start with the players he wants and he has shown that he cannot sufficiently motivate the standard of footballer he will have to work with.
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The big worry with that is- I don’t see many high earners. . possibly Gardner and Maghey?
Don’t see massive savings. (They still need to go though)
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21 minutes ago, South West Blue said:
Green & Fondop are the only 2 for me and that is because we know on their day, they can be unplayable in this league.
I’ve never seen Green play well for 90 minutes, let’s alone unplayable. Mikey I agree- he’s had a quite few good days.
I released everybody - bar Mikey. But if he has to go to bring in better then so be it.
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24 minutes ago, LightDN123 said:
If that’s true, never use stats bomb again to lead recruitment and let Mellon have control. It can’t get any worse.. the man is absolutely raging.
I’ve no idea who it was or wasn’t used for.
But the facts speak themselves on the squad make up and the fact Mellon is clearly pissed off.
Whatever they decide I just want Mellon and board singing off the same hymn sheet. We can’t any more muddled decision making.
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DR told us how it works- I think it was on the pod.
It’s a vast database that allows you to quickly identify a position without needing to rely on scouting in the first instance.
The club use it to generate a pool of possibilities and then the manager decides from that pool. (I’m presuming they then scout before the final decision)
Mellon has said umpteen times- I know what a good player looks like. He keeps repeating it. He specifically said on Saturday- I know what a good player looks like, and I know where they are. The inference is he doesn’t want to choose from a pool. He wants his picks only.
If we look at the last 18 months, it’s unbelievable how we’ve ended up here.
Stats bomb can’t identify a right back.
It only generates centre halves and strikers.
Or
It’s only been used for some players and not others- (could explain the tension between ST and Unsy) and that’s why we’re left with multiple players in some positions and the bare bones or none in others.
The biggest learning lesson in the summer is this- Mellon and the board have to agree on the recruitment. Either back him to get who he wants, or get a head coach that will work within what the club wants to do. Because at the minute it looks like everyone is pulling in different directions.
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4 minutes ago, spanishfly said:
It's the mystery of football, I suppose. Nothing I`ve seen comes anywhere near my definition of "doing really well".
We must have been a completely different side to watch prior to the end of January, when I started watching, because all I`ve seen is an average to poor non-league side. Several maintain the likes of Conlon, Lundstram and Hogan are okay for next season. Opinions again but I think we can expect a lengthy non-league stay if players like that are still around. I think Mellon would have rid in a heartbeat if he could (and I think he signed Conlon too didn't he?).
He wasn’t talking Latics, he talking about the ratio of me and him agreeing or not over this season.- 1
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37 minutes ago, deyres42 said:
Most managers never far away from the sack these days, makes sense to stick around and see if the next one likes you rather than going somewhere you don't really want to.
Makes sense if you’re on a good contract and other clubs won’t match it. Doesn’t make sense if you can play football elsewhere for the same money (loan club and Latics paying your wage) but would rather just train. That’s a very poor reflection on a player. -
1 hour ago, deyres42 said:
Players shouldn't be forced into moves they may not want to make just because one manager doesn't fancy them.
Players have no problem forcing moves when it suits them, they can’t whinge if manager doesn’t fancy them and it’s move on or just train. It’s the nature of football, and works both ways.- 1
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24 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:
I get the impression it's easier to get Israel and Hamas to see eye to eye than @League one foreverand @nzlatic
That’s not wholly true to be fair. (Not from my end anyway) He makes lots of points I agree with, and even if I don’t agree I enjoy the debate because he’s usually fair and balanced.
In my view he’s to forgiving and understanding for the position we find ourselves in, he may think I’m to demanding and don’t accept the bigger picture enough. That’s life. It’s ok to disagree, be a bit boring if we agreed all the time.
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5 minutes ago, AndyB2 said:
So who in our team actually needs to go? Rather than we need to strength in this department or that department, who is not up it?
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15 minutes ago, AndyB2 said:
But it’s very hard to strike a balance as a football fan. It’s either amazing / very positive or a disaster. There’s not really happy middle ground.
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5 minutes ago, nzlatic said:
Did I? I try to only respond to things people say so if I’ve misrepresented what you’ve said somewhere then I’ll retract.
This is what I think I’m right about… I think it’s the right thing to do to give Mellon proper time to change the squad. I wouldn’t say that I 100% think he will come good. I just think it’s right to give people the time and the resources they need to be a success in their jobs. Mellon has not had that yet. So I disagree with people calling for his sacking or even judging him in really strong terms yet.
I also think it’s the right thing to do to give the board some slack with their decision making. To accept that they will get things wrong but that over time things will move forward. So harsh judgement there is premature in my opinion.
That doesn’t mean that Mellon or the board are above criticism. Or that no one is allowed to say anything against them. Or we shouldn’t be expectant or demanding as a fan base. All of those accusations have been levelled at anyone who dares to suggest patience. But the language I heard yesterday at the game and on here for a while now is just so over the top. You’d think we were heading for oblivion. It’s making it for me the worst time I’ve ever had being a latics fan. Even when we were close to the brink under the last lot there was a togetherness among the fan base. Now it just seems like most fans are in a competition to be the most angry that things aren’t working yet. It’s really depressing.
And the worst thing is I don’t think it stops if we get promoted, only paused. I think the feeling will be the same until we hit the top 7 of league 1. Anything other than a constant upward movement will be seen as failure until we get to that level. I really hope I’m totally wrong about that one.
That’s fine- you are willing to be patient with the board and Mellon for the reasons you mention.
I disagree with that, for the reasons I’ve said previously.
I don’t want to be right, over the club doing well. If Mellon can sort it and the board get their act together - then happy days. We all want success.On the fans- I honestly believe we are no different to any other club. We sold over 4000 season tickets in the fifth tier. We have an expensive squad and a manager with a big reputation. We have won one game in 9 and seen our hopes not just dashed but completely shit on. Everybody is pissed off. I don’t condone the vitriol, and it’s not my bag but fans reflect society and everyone is different. I said this the other week, everybody- the manager, fans, board need a break from it all.
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2 minutes ago, yarddog73 said:
We played between 5 and 7 at the back most weeks, we even travelled to Oxford yesterday and played McGahey on the toes of the defence because they need help and are shite, add to that we have a keeper whose fucking clueless about what's going on around the pitch and that's where I'd start the rebuild. You could make a case for Kitching and either Raglan or Hobson and that would be about it for me.
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20 minutes ago, nzlatic said:
What makes having a discussion on a message board really difficult sometimes is when people argue points you haven’t made because it makes it easier for them to be right.
Quite. . and you did the exact same to me.Are you telling me that you don’t think you’re right as well. . of course you do. Which is fine.
It’s the nature of debate- two opposing views who both think their view is the correct one. We agree on a lot of things, some things we don’t. That’s life.
MATCH: Halifax Town (?) 18/04/24
in The opinions4u Terraces - Latics Forum
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I wish we could forfeit this game and Saturday and just get on with the exodus.