Frankly Mr Shankly Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I don't know about you, but I have no intention of cutting my wrists over a bunch of substandard footballers. Well I wouldn't even consider taking a prescription drugs overdose. Man, lots of people think you just slip away when you do that but that couldn't be more further than the truth. See, they mess with your insides y'know... so you're in complete agony for quite a while before passing out. Yeah, most definitely not the best way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Actually, when cutting your own wrists, it's always better (well, for want of a better phrase) to cut DOWN the wrist rather than across the wrist. It's far quicker despite popular opinion. Thats right, remember kids, "Down the street not across the road" I know. But nothing has happened yet. When the Lookers comes down I'll accept that one step in the right direction has taken place. Not just because I sit in there but why knock it down now? The club generates income from the bar and catering in there which would be lost if they knocked it down. I would also rather wait until we have the plans in place to start the full development, we haven't the money to build the new stand until the full development starts. I can see us being in the Lookers next season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspiral_Carpet Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 And like 80 other clubs we will achieve nothing. Relying on drab journeymen and those kids who don't get snapped up by bigger fish, our luck will eventually run out and we will get relegated. And that will be that. You must have missed my question earlier. Who have we sold then Corp? As for drab journeymen, the nucleus of our side so far this Season has contained the likes of Lee Hughes; Craig Davies; Neal Eardley; Neil Kilkenny; Michael Ricketts; Ryan Bertrand; Sean Gregan; Andy Liddell; Mark Crossley etc. Are these the guys (the majority of whom are full International players) who you mean and what exactly do you expect from a Club that survives on gates of around 5000? Personally, looking at the facts, we are spoiled by the quality of player that we are allowed to sign. The fact that they do not play to a decent standard (at home) is a totally different point. The "drab journeymen" that we've signed presumably would include Reuben Hazell; JP Kalala and Mark Allott who IMO have done pretty well. I'll give you John Thompson though. Come on man - back up your moans with a bit of reasoning to justify your "woe is me" style of post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Rubes slot's in alongside Stam and we sign a kid on loan for the rest of the season Forget loans, build a team for the future, and Trotman should be part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) As for drab journeymen, the nucleus of our side so far this Season has contained the likes of So these are your foundations; Lee Hughes - costly suspension Craig Davies; a maverick Neal Eardley; overrated Neil Kilkenny; on loan - gone Michael Ricketts; not wanted Ryan Bertrand; on loan -gone Sean Gregan; Injured, unlikely to be seen again Andy Liddell; ditto Mark Crossley; probably his last season. No wonder the house looks like collapsing. Edited January 28, 2008 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beag_teeets Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Down the street I go with a slash and a swish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspiral_Carpet Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 So these are your foundations; Craig Davies; a maverick Neal Eardley; overrated Neil Kilkenny; on loan - gone Michael Ricketts; not wanted Ryan Bertrand; on loan -gone Sean Gregan; Injured, unlikely to be seen again Andy Liddell; ditto Mark Crossley; probably his last season. No wonder the house looks like collapsing. You may have an opinion on their abilities and of course I know that some are no longer here but they are part of this Season's team and "drab journeymen" they aint. If you want to read my post properly, my point was directed to Corporal Jones who frequently comes out with such ludicrous statements to justify his "we're doomed" outbursts (would Frazer have been a better Username perhaps? ) but fails to back up his arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 So these are your foundations; Lee Hughes - costly suspension Craig Davies; a maverick Neal Eardley; overrated Neil Kilkenny; on loan - gone Michael Ricketts; not wanted Ryan Bertrand; on loan -gone Sean Gregan; Injured, unlikely to be seen again Andy Liddell; ditto Mark Crossley; probably his last season. No wonder the house looks like collapsing. Thought I was on a downer BP!!!! Lee Hughes - Natural finisher but a bit thick Craig Davies; a maverick yes, but potetial match winner but again thick a pig pooh Neal Eardley; Young, still learning his trade, great potential will eard the club £££££ one day Neil Kilkenny; on loan - gone (Never should have signed him) Michael Ricketts; (See Kilkenny) Ryan Bertrand; (6 months was a waste of time if we were to be pack at square one come January) Sean Gregan; Recapturing his form before his injury, still had the desire to tryn and play on despite not being fit. OUR one true leader when fit and oozes class when on song) Andy Liddell; Not a winger anymore but could be very effective as a deep lying strike Mark Crossley; Wouldn't have signed him personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) You must have missed my question earlier. Who have we sold then Corp? As for drab journeymen, the nucleus of our side so far this Season has contained the likes of Lee Hughes; Craig Davies; Neal Eardley; Neil Kilkenny; Michael Ricketts; Ryan Bertrand; Sean Gregan; Andy Liddell; Mark Crossley etc. Are these the guys (the majority of whom are full International players) who you mean and what exactly do you expect from a Club that survives on gates of around 5000? Personally, looking at the facts, we are spoiled by the quality of player that we are allowed to sign. The fact that they do not play to a decent standard (at home) is a totally different point. The "drab journeymen" that we've signed presumably would include Reuben Hazell; JP Kalala and Mark Allott who IMO have done pretty well. I'll give you John Thompson though. Come on man - back up your moans with a bit of reasoning to justify your "woe is me" style of post. At this level of the game it is, more often than not, no longer a case of selling any more than of buying, as transfer fees are rarely involved when players move. All I know is that when we have decent players they rarely stay here for long, and no amount of sophistry can alter that fact. As for expectation, I'm rapidly learning to expect nothing from this club in terms of football. I suppose we can limp on as we are, which very occasionally works for some clubs but hasn't for us and won't, or we can pay the wages that quality players are going for and hope that increased revenue at the turnstiles-and the stadium redevelopment-will eventually justify the outlay. I fear that most Latics fans, for reasons that are understandable after the Chris Moore fiasco, are reluctant to countenance any financial gambling at all. But it means that we will never progress until the stadium is completely redeveloped (and, as said elsewhere, nothing at all has happened in that regard yet, planning issues aside)-and even here we have to hope that everything goes exactly to plan and that TTA are true to their word about extra funding for the playing side. As for the players listed above, they may or may not be internationals and so on, but clearly need added quality. After all, the league table does speak for itself. Edited January 28, 2008 by Corporal_Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 You may have an opinion on their abilities and of course I know that some are no longer here but they are part of this Season's team and "drab journeymen" they aint. If you want to read my post properly, my point was directed to Corporal Jones who frequently comes out with such ludicrous statements to justify his "we're doomed" outbursts (would Frazer have been a better Username perhaps? ) but fails to back up his arguments. I do not say we're doomed. I merely point out certain possibilities that seem to escape the notice of the happy clapprs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspiral_Carpet Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I do not say we're doomed. I merely point out certain possibilities that seem to escape the notice of the happy clapprs. Ah. So as usual, you fail to justify your earlier comments and resort to the old "happy clappers" argument. Who have we sold? Who are these "drab journeymen"? I expected better. And before you dub me a "happy clapper", as I said earlier, the fact that our players are failing to deliver is a whole different matter and a totally different argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Ah. So as usual, you fail to justify your earlier comments and resort to the old "happy clappers" argument. Who have we sold? Who are these "drab journeymen"? I expected better. And before you dub me a "happy clapper", as I said earlier, the fact that our players are failing to deliver is a whole different matter and a totally different argument. This was where I first came in: QUOTE(beag_teeets @ Jan 28 2008, 13:18 PM) We are going to get our players from the youth and reserve team as well as supplimenting these with players from other clubs via the transfer system and bosmans, same as we have over the past few seasons. Fingers crossed we might be able to flog one or more of these players whilst under contract to generate additional funds so that we would be able to bring some more players in, same as the other 80 or so clubs in the football leagues that aren't backed by billionaires or can't generate massive funds off the pitch. And like 80 other clubs we will achieve nothing. Relying on drab journeymen and those kids who don't get snapped up by bigger fish, our luck will eventually run out and we will get relegated. And that will be that. You'll note the post I was replying to when referring to drab journeymen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sheridans_world Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 This was where I first came in: QUOTE(beag_teeets @ Jan 28 2008, 13:18 PM) We are going to get our players from the youth and reserve team as well as supplimenting these with players from other clubs via the transfer system and bosmans, same as we have over the past few seasons. Fingers crossed we might be able to flog one or more of these players whilst under contract to generate additional funds so that we would be able to bring some more players in, same as the other 80 or so clubs in the football leagues that aren't backed by billionaires or can't generate massive funds off the pitch. And like 80 other clubs we will achieve nothing. Relying on drab journeymen and those kids who don't get snapped up by bigger fish, our luck will eventually run out and we will get relegated. And that will be that. You'll note the post I was replying to when referring to drab journeymen. You still say we are a selling club. Who have we sold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) Something that really puts the arguments of the doom mongers into context is the entire premise of this thread. One solitary, uncorroborated and highly speculative story in a local rag linking their local team with one of our players and including an entirely fictional transfer fee... that is how this thread started. And yet within a few posts Trotman is as good as sold, we're selling off all our family jewels, and our entire future outlook is bleaker than it has ever been. Football is full of possibilities, both good and bad. But far from the "happy clappers" ignoring the negatives, it all too often seems to be the doom mongers who ignore the positives - and who are all too keen to ignore the TRUTH when they jump onto a story that they can twist to their viewpoint. (The TRUTH in this case being WE AIN'T SOLD NOBODY YET!) Edited to add: Surely Corporal, if your over simplistic view of the football world were true, "that" would have been "that" about ten years ago? And yet we're still here! Edited January 28, 2008 by garcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspiral_Carpet Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 This was where I first came in: QUOTE(beag_teeets @ Jan 28 2008, 13:18 PM) We are going to get our players from the youth and reserve team as well as supplimenting these with players from other clubs via the transfer system and bosmans, same as we have over the past few seasons. Fingers crossed we might be able to flog one or more of these players whilst under contract to generate additional funds so that we would be able to bring some more players in, same as the other 80 or so clubs in the football leagues that aren't backed by billionaires or can't generate massive funds off the pitch. And like 80 other clubs we will achieve nothing. Relying on drab journeymen and those kids who don't get snapped up by bigger fish, our luck will eventually run out and we will get relegated. And that will be that. You'll note the post I was replying to when referring to drab journeymen. I know. But why do you assume that those coming in will be drab journeymen when besides John Thompson (and possibly one or two more) that hasn't been the case recently? Do you honestly see the players that I listed above (ie the nucleus of this Season's team) as drab journeymen? I agree they haven't performed as a team every week but at the time, you must have been excited by some of the signings/ emergence from the reserves? If not, then I really do think you are setting your expectations a little high. Like I say, the fact that they aren't perrforming consistently as a Team is a different matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 You still say we are a selling club. Who have we sold? Historically we have been a selling club.....hopefully with the new stadium this can change..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 (edited) We will see soon who the new signings and outgoings are. They will give an indication as to the path the club is intending to take as the manager has now stated new players must be the ones he wants and committed to the club. Any outgoings will also indicate if the main assets are to be sold off. Edited January 28, 2008 by BP1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 We will see soon who the new signings and outgoings are. They will give an indication as to the path the club is intending to take as the manager has now stated new players must be the ones he wants and committed to the club. Any outgoings will also indicate if the main assets are to be sold off. We're trying to get rid of Gregan apparently! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oa_exile Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 We're trying to get rid of Gregan apparently! Is that an Exclusive ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Is that an Exclusive ? Mate at work was at Oldhams youth team before he was released and joined Rochdale. Knows a few of the lads in our first team squad from his time here. Said we're trying to get rid of Gregan as he's on a massive 8k a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Mate at work was at Oldhams youth team before he was released and joined Rochdale. Knows a few of the lads in our first team squad from his time here. Said we're trying to get rid of Gregan as he's on a massive 8k a week. He's lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 You still say we are a selling club. Who have we sold? As I've already explained, I never used the words selling club. In a very recent post, though, I did explain that we might as well be when the better players are rarely retained. (This is actually a worse situation than being a selling club, as these players depart without the club receiving anything in return.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 He's lying. Hopefully he is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 He definitely is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Ronnie Moore Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 8k a week? Half that maximum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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