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I know Tony P is more this area but he's with the kids. Do we have anyone remotely striker-orientated in the first team coaching staff?

 

Probably explains why our strikers act like distant relatives or don't appear to be developing as expected from the youth to the first team. If we had someone dedicated to the strikers and focused on the seniors and well as juniors then this could well improve matters.

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I think the problem with our strikers at the moment is that all of them want the goals and for different reasons. Hughes wants to score to show he still has it, he may also want to repay the faith shown him in and possibly even move to a bigger club (such as Doncaster or Darlington - :devilish: ) Davies wants to score as he is still a kid who wants to be the billy big balls and Lewis, Wolfie and Smalley want to prove they can cut it at this level.

 

All the coaching staff need to do is say that as long as they all work hard for the team the goals will come and it doesn't matter who scores as long as we get the 3 points. Possibly they could stay behind after training and work on their finishing but as dedicated pros I would expect this to be happening anyway if these players didn't want to spend the rest of their careers in the 3rd division.

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To be fair there is nothing wrong with having greedy strikers. The problems come when they are being greedy in non-goalscoring positions ie out wide/or with 3,4,5 players to beat. Some of the greediest strikers, Shearer, Owen are also the best. The trick is that they are greedy when goalscoring opportunities come along. Lee Hughes does this, unfortunately Davies over the past few months hasn't as he is going looking for the ball. I think this is defo what Shez (and many fans on here) when he keeps encouraging Davies to stay central. All good goalscorers need that greedy streak, and we have two in Hughes and Davies who are - the key is getting the midfield balance right to ensure these guys can stay in goalscoring positions.

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We used to have David Cross , i can only assume he is not on the coaching staff now.

 

Cross was sacked when the Moore era started to go wrong. Unfortunately Dowie was given instructions that one of Cross or Philiskirk had to go to cut costs and Cross sadly was the one that went.

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We used to have David Cross , i can only assume he is not on the coaching staff now.

 

 

David Cross was a quality coach and a decent bloke as well. Not sure where he is now but to bring him back to the coaching staff would be step in the right direction.

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To be fair there is nothing wrong with having greedy strikers. The problems come when they are being greedy in non-goalscoring positions ie out wide/or with 3,4,5 players to beat. Some of the greediest strikers, Shearer, Owen are also the best. The trick is that they are greedy when goalscoring opportunities come along. Lee Hughes does this, unfortunately Davies over the past few months hasn't as he is going looking for the ball. I think this is defo what Shez (and many fans on here) when he keeps encouraging Davies to stay central. All good goalscorers need that greedy streak, and we have two in Hughes and Davies who are - the key is getting the midfield balance right to ensure these guys can stay in goalscoring positions.

i dont think we do....and i dont think we have a goalkeeping coach anymore either(could be wrong)

 

but for a club of our size where do you draw the line.....coaches cost money,and when your still losing money week after week the owners have to decide if its better spending money on players,or coaches.

 

in an ideal world like in the premiership,you would have 2 coaches for each section,strikers,midfielders,defence and keepers.thus as well as doing group training sessions you would also do the specialised training with coaches,then have a kick about after to put into practise what had been learnt.

 

like him or loathe him,but dowie had it right,fitness guru and everything,our players had never been fitter and stronger whilst he was in charge.

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Cross was sacked when the Moore era started to go wrong. Unfortunately Dowie was given instructions that one of Cross or Philiskirk had to go to cut costs and Cross sadly was the one that went.

 

>>Feb 2003<<

 

Cross laid off by Oldham

 

Oldham assistant manager David Cross is being made redundant by Oldham Athletic as part of cost-cutting measures at Boundary Park.

Cross is one of three members of the backroom staff being laid off as promotion-chasing Oldham bid to reduce their losses.

 

Long-serving youth-team coach Billy Urmson, who has been with Oldham for 27 years, is also to leave, along with youth development education and welfare officer Jack Edwards.

 

Cross's playing career took in spells with Oldham, West Ham, Manchester City, West Bromwich Albion, Coventry and Norwich City.

 

The 52-year-old was promoted from coaching the reserves and youth-team to become number two to Iain Dowie last summer.

 

Latics' chief executive Alan Hardy said: "These redundancies are something we would have liked to avoid.

 

"But due to increasing financial pressures it was necessary that economies were made through all departments, including coaching, as well as the recent redundancies from players, administration and groundstaff.

 

"I have known Billy and David as friends for a number of years and to have to sit down and discuss redundancies with them has not been easy.

 

"We have enjoyed some wonderful footballing moments together.

 

"I would like to place on record my sincere thanks for the all the hard work and dedication put in by David and Billy over their many years association with the Latics," Hardy told the club's website.

 

Cross and Urmson are in talks with the club over a redundancy settlement.

 

So I think to answer the question Cross was never replaced after.

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like him or loathe him,but dowie had it right,fitness guru and everything,our players had never been fitter and stronger whilst he was in charge.

 

 

This is very true, but we also seemed to pick up alot of niggly injury's as well.

 

Pog's had his best spell when Andy Rhodes coaching him under Dowie.

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This is very true, but we also seemed to pick up alot of niggly injury's as well.

 

Things have not changed much since then , we always seem to have a lot of injuries.

Training at Chapel Rd maybe has something to do with it ?

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Didn't Kalala pick this up at Swansea though?

 

Yeh, nothing to do with Chapel Road.

 

Stop being picky you two , he could have picked up a niggle at Chapel Rd and then aggravated the niggle at Swansea :lol:

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Not like you to be so upto date with what is happening. :tongue1:

 

I'm going to sulk now that's three of you picking on me on this thread :disappointed:

 

Anymore of it I might have to close it <_<

 

NOTE : Exile is "Always" right even though he may be wrong the odd time :)

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I don't think we can expect to have specialised coaches in every position, after all it would just be money that we aren't spending on players. Shez, Dux, Tommy, Crossley and TP (when not with the nippers) should have enough experience between them to do specialist sessions where needed. Also, even if they are not on the coaching staff you would hope that the likes of Liddell, Gregan, Hughes and now the new boys would be passing on advice and experience to the younger ones.

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not exactly sure where he is now...but he is still seen often in the main stand-there v.carlisle.

 

think he does scouting now..

 

His eldest was the year above me in school and him and my dad know each other well enough to say hi. I think he's got something going on at Bury and before he became a full-time coach he often did a bit of scouting for Latics. His lass is probably a bit unlucky not to be in Australia playing cricket at the mo (she's in a Lancashire development squad - for the boys). It could be that he's gone back to his previous job (which was something in finance i think) but I'm not sure.

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The only position that can really be coached by a specialist is Goalkeeper, who are often best coached by ex-goalkeepers. Just because TP was a striker doesn't necessarily mean that his coaching 'specialism' is striker coach. It could be that he's more interested in say defensive coaching or just youth development (as seems to be the case). With the coaching badges they have to be competent in all areas. It goes back to the old adage that sometimes an ex-defender knows more about attacking coaching because they know what defenders don't like to happen in game situations.

 

Mind you, as I said earlier I don't think our problems are down/will be solved by a specialist attacking coach. It's down to service and keeping the football.

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