Away Support Today - 785 (acc to Vale HP)

[Fyldelatic]

I thought there was a good atmosphere in the away end. We never play well at Vale so it used to be very flat, but we did make quite a lot of noise and acoustics helped us. Plus the abysmal home support of less than 3000 who never got behind their team even when they were pressing us for a large part of second half.

OTT policing I thought - did they escort our fans all the way from Stoke station 4 miles away?

[the_naz]

I thought there was a good atmosphere in the away end. We never play well at Vale so it used to be very flat, but we did make quite a lot of noise and acoustics helped us. Plus the abysmal home support of less than 3000 who never got behind their team even when they were pressing us for a large part of second half.

OTT policing I thought - did they escort our fans all the way from Stoke station 4 miles away?

 

 

I was disappointed with only 785. Think we've acheived well over a 1000 in previous seasons although I could be proved wrong! Awful performance, smash and grab 3-0 win (if thats possible!!).

[KYLEOAFC]

I was disappointed with only 785. Think we've acheived well over a 1000 in previous seasons although I could be proved wrong! Awful performance, smash and grab 3-0 win (if thats possible!!).

 

First time its been a saturday since 18/12/04.

I expected around 800 mark, still a good atmosphere at times.

Best in the Vine before the game and then behind the stand before kick off.

I am gonna miss vale park, OOH THE PIES!

Edited March 1, 2008 by KYLEOAFC

[20JoeM07]

No I Dont Think They Did Escort The Fans From Stoke Station As I Arrived There At 12 And Didnt Get An Escort .

The Policing Was Very OTT.

We Were Kept In A Corner Just Outside The Ground While All The Coaches Went ..

Did Anyone See ?

[Eddie_m'gurk]

No I Dont Think They Did Escort The Fans From Stoke Station As I Arrived There At 12 And Didnt Get An Escort .

The Policing Was Very OTT.

We Were Kept In A Corner Just Outside The Ground While All The Coaches Went ..

Did Anyone See ?

 

Think it has something to do with all the banning orders ending, and this was the first away fixture with short travelling distance.

[pukka]

somat has gone on, not sure what though. Once off the train at piccadilly we were all asked our names and asked to speak into a camera. Name, DOB and club supported. Can't say its what I wanted, but what can you do? Cops were completely fine as long as you did what was asked of you.

[20JoeM07]

Yhhh That Was To Do With The Behaviour At Stoke Station ..

Chanting On The Platform ..

I Think Someone Broke A Couple Of Chairs.

Before We Got On The Train Stoke Police Turned Up And Must Have Infromed Manchester Police

[kirinclassic]

somat has gone on, not sure what though. Once off the train at piccadilly we were all asked our names and asked to speak into a camera. Name, DOB and club supported. Can't say its what I wanted, but what can you do? Cops were completely fine as long as you did what was asked of you.

 

The police can do that, can they? Wouldn't that contravene one's civil liberties? Feck.

[slurms mckenzie]

In Vale boozer affer game, they reckoned we brought 400. I though it was higher than that!

[Rocky_Latic]

No I Dont Think They Did Escort The Fans From Stoke Station As I Arrived There At 12 And Didnt Get An Escort .

The Policing Was Very OTT.

We Were Kept In A Corner Just Outside The Ground While All The Coaches Went ..

Did Anyone See ?

Yes. You were all about 12.

 

It's not a suprise the police were OTT. Loads of bans are just up, which is why it was a little rowdier than usual.

[leeslover]

I'd definitely say they were keeping an eye out for a particular group. I'd hazard a guess that it was the ones who sang "No Surrender" accompanied with Zieg Heil salutes.

[KYLEOAFC]

I'd definitely say they were keeping an eye out for a particular group. I'd hazard a guess that it was the ones who sang "No Surrender" accompanied with Zieg Heil salutes.

 

"accompanied with Zieg Heil salutes"

 

Leeslover did you hear anybody shouting Zieg Heil?

 

Just because somebody uses that salute it doesn't make it a Nazi one at all.

 

The salute originates in Europe and was used in the installation process of ancient Kings as part of a coronation process.

 

It was only when the Italian fascists used it the Nazi party decided to adopt it and forge links with it back to early Germanic Kings.

 

It could be that those Just returning from banning orders and followers of the burberry fashion range are just really keen historians and are not necessarily nazis at all!

Give people a chance first before you judge!

Edited March 2, 2008 by KYLEOAFC

[GlossopLatic]

No I Dont Think They Did Escort The Fans From Stoke Station As I Arrived There At 12 And Didnt Get An Escort .

The Policing Was Very OTT.

We Were Kept In A Corner Just Outside The Ground While All The Coaches Went ..

Did Anyone See ?

 

Yeah I did am guessing your lot aren't trouble causers because you didn't look partciularly intimidating was surprised you all got kept together by the police seemed very mobb handed.

 

Their did seem to be a few Danny Dyer wannabes there on day release aswell.

[leeslover]

"accompanied with Zieg Heil salutes"

 

Leeslover did you hear anybody shouting Zieg Heil?

 

Just because somebody uses that salute it doesn't make it a Nazi one at all.

 

The salute originates in Europe and was used in the installation process of ancient Kings as part of a coronation process.

 

It was only when the Italian fascists used it the Nazi party decided to adopt it and forge links with it back to early Germanic Kings.

 

It could be that those Just returning from banning orders and followers of the burberry fashion range are just really keen historians and are not necessarily nazis at all!

Give people a chance first before you judge!

I'm pretty sure the origins in the gesture popularised by Italian fascists and Roman football clubs may have it's origins in the Roman Empire rather than in Germanic coronations I didn't bother going to debate the point with them anyway, I didn't want to distract them from their re-enactment. What's next week, recreating the Charge of the Light Brigade whilst singing, "Knees up Enoch Powell?"

 

There were plenty of Vale chavs hanging around outside pretending they were looking for trouble so I can see why Officer Dibble was being a bit cautious. There were two hilarious ones who separately put the icing on the cherry for me. In the car park, near to the main road, one was shouting, "How much? How much did you pay the referree?" I replied that we hadn't had to, he did them for the backpass for free because he thought it would be so funny. Then another one was leaning over the wall, trying to intimidate me, BFL and Eastley as we were getting into our cars. He started ranting about the same thing. We told both of them that we agreed with them, of course it only made them more angry. I was almost crying with laughter by the time we got out of the car park, with this muppet acting hard as if we were dead meat if only there wasn't a three foot high wall saving us.

[KYLEOAFC]

"What's next week, recreating the Charge of the Light Brigade whilst singing, "Knees up Enoch Powell?"

 

Now that would be funny!!

Edited March 2, 2008 by KYLEOAFC

[bluearmyof1]

Yes i was stopped off the train in piccadilly also. Even though it was only for a few minutes it meant i missed my connecting train to stalybridge and was an hour late. I'm sure they have no right to arbitrarily stop entire groups of people just because they were wearing an oldham shirt. There is a very strongly worded letter going in tomorrow morning. Also i'm planning on insisting that they delete any details of mine that they gained as a result as i'm sure they have no right to keep them.

[KYLEOAFC]

There is a very strongly worded letter going in tomorrow morning. Also i'm planning on insisting that they delete any details of mine that they gained as a result as i'm sure they have no right to keep them

 

LOL Section 60 is a b!tch!

 

If your in a public place especially a train station and being a football fan then expect to be stopped and searched.

Its for your benefit & Safety as much as anyone else's.

 

If you not doing anything wrong, and you have nothing to hide what's the problem?

 

British Transport police have extra powers for dealing with fans using trains also there's certain bylaws in train stations as well.

 

To get a rough guide click the link below.

 

http://www.urban75.org/football/rights.html

Edited March 2, 2008 by KYLEOAFC

[bluearmyof1]

LOL Section 60 is a b!tch!

 

If your in a public place especially a train station and being a football fan then expect to be stopped and searched.

Its for your benefit & Safety as much as anyone else's.

 

If you not doing anything wrong, and you have nothing to hide what's the problem?

 

 

http://www.urban75.org/football/rights.html

 

 

I consider it a breach of my civil liberties for details about me to be kept by the police when i've done nothing wrong. I disagree that you should be treated as a second class citizen just because you are a football fan.

[20JoeM07]

Yeah I did am guessing your lot aren't trouble causers because you didn't look partciularly intimidating was surprised you all got kept together by the police seemed very mobb handed.

 

Their did seem to be a few Danny Dyer wannabes there on day release aswell.

 

 

No Were Not Trouble Causers But We Recieved This Treatment All Day.

We Got Escorted To The Ground 20Mins Before It Even Opend .

We Were The First Ones In

[KYLEOAFC]

I consider it a breach of my civil liberties for details about me to be kept by the police when i've done nothing wrong. I disagree that you should be treated as a second class citizen just because you are a football fan.

 

But should somebody get on a train that has not be searched then end up being involved in an incident and stabbing somebody that’s ok?

 

Stop moaning, like I said its for your own safety, its all about intelligence gathering, if your not a threat they wont keep it.

Why do you think your so important or different to the hundreds of fans that go through that every game?

 

Its people like you that condem the police then moan when theres none about.

[BigfinLatic]

There were plenty of Vale chavs hanging around outside pretending they were looking for trouble so I can see why Officer Dibble was being a bit cautious. There were two hilarious ones who separately put the icing on the cherry for me. In the car park, near to the main road, one was shouting, "How much? How much did you pay the referree?" I replied that we hadn't had to, he did them for the backpass for free because he thought it would be so funny. Then another one was leaning over the wall, trying to intimidate me, BFL and Eastley as we were getting into our cars. He started ranting about the same thing. We told both of them that we agreed with them, of course it only made them more angry. I was almost crying with laughter by the time we got out of the car park, with this muppet acting hard as if we were dead meat if only there wasn't a three foot high wall saving us.

 

He was truly terrifying though andy... you know, with him being 16, five foot nowt, and the build of a 12 year old girl.... and me and you being such small and helpless souls.... I also have to say that the sigt of me and you laughing so much whilst pointing at him must have also proved he struck the fear of god into us...

 

That was brilliant..

 

"How much did you pay the referee"

"Yes, he was pretty rubbish"

"No, but how much did you pay him"

"Yeah, unlucky, he was shocking"

" off"

"No, you aint getting it.. we agree with you"

" off how much did you pay him"

 

[bluearmyof1]

But should somebody get on a train that has not be searched then end up being involved in an incident and stabbing somebody that’s ok?

 

Stop moaning, like I said its for your own safety, its all about intelligence gathering, if your not a threat they wont keep it.

Why do you think your so important or different to the hundreds of fans that go through that every game?

 

Its people like you that condem the police then moan when theres none about.

 

Your example is completely different from what happened. If they have grounds to believe that someone has a knife then of course they should be searched but what you seem to be suggesting from your argument is that all people who get on trains should be searched.

You seem to be relying on the premise that all football fans are liable to cause trouble which i fundamentally disagree with.

 

In fact i think that usually the policing of oldham fans is a fairly high standard. The oldham police generally know who the troblemakers are and only target them. What i object to about this incident is the arbirary way in which everyone who was wearing an oldham shirt under the age of 40 was detained. At the end of the day it depends how you want to live your life. If there was a policeman on every corner and everyone was searched evry time they left the house there would be no crime, but as a society we decide that is too draconian and we prefer to live with a risk of crime but more civil freedom. This seems to go out of the window sometimes if you are a football fan. This isn't about me thinking i'm more important than other people but being unhappy about the infringement of the freedoms of all non-troublemaking football fans to carry about their lawful business without interference from the police.

 

In view of the data they have taken about me i don't think it should be up to the police to decide to keep it or not given that i've done nothing wrong. They should be (and i believe they are but could be wrong) required to destroy it if i request so.

[KYLEOAFC]

"In view of the data they have taken about me i don't think it should be up to the police to decide to keep it or not given that i've done nothing wrong. They should be (and i believe they are but could be wrong) required to destroy it if i request so".

 

Our Intelligence officer PC Cooke, I think his name is lol

Was outside the vines pub and around Stoke early on, so the operation at the station probably had to be co coordinated by officers who aren' as well up on the names and faces of the trouble causers.

 

With the serious numpties not wanting to attract attention they will go to the games on different trains or use different modes of transportation and meet on mass at a given location.

 

Its easier to mass interview/film folk getting on the trains and to cross reference it with any evidence captured of trouble at the game.

Oldham's finest will then eliminate the real fans from those they want to keep an eye on at a later date I am sure.

 

If you get caught up in the intelligence gathering process its just unlucky.

To be honest if it means keeping serious idiots out of the equation at football then it's a price I for one am willing to pay.

 

If you feel it contravenes your human rights then go in your own car.

Edited March 2, 2008 by KYLEOAFC

[daznathe]

But should somebody get on a train that has not be searched then end up being involved in an incident and stabbing somebody that’s ok?

 

Stop moaning, like I said its for your own safety, its all about intelligence gathering, if your not a threat they wont keep it.

Why do you think your so important or different to the hundreds of fans that go through that every game?

 

Its people like you that condem the police then moan when theres none about.

 

[leeslover]

Anyone who thinks that the police will destroy any personal data unless they are absolutely forced to is living on another planet, and if you've followed the news the last few months you will be a bit wary of having your details on a Government database. I happen to know that they tried to force London Transport to keep the entire records of every journey everybody made for 7 years (as most people pay with an electronic card). Likewise, I lived just round the corner from where Sally Anne Bowman was murdered and they asked every white man from 16-45 to give a DNA sample. I read the small print, and frankly no way.

 

The bottom line is that the basis of the law is that you can do absolutely anything you like so long as it doesn't break the law. It's no more right for them to treat football fans as a different case than if they were doing the same to black people or Jews.