Yard Dog Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Been looking back through my Team From A Town Of Chimeys book and the first black player I came across in the start of the season team photo is Sir Roger Palmer....my memory only goes back to '88, so can any of you older heads tell me whether Roger was Latics' first black player.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guernica Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Been looking back through my Team From A Town Of Chimeys book and the first black player I came across in the start of the season team photo is Sir Roger Palmer....my memory only goes back to '88, so can any of you older heads tell me whether Roger was Latics' first black player.... It's before my time but Alan Groves was before Palmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 groves was the earliest i remember too. how about the first non british/irish player who played for latics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Ogden Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 groves was the earliest i remember too. how about the first non british/irish player who played for latics? Koweniki ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Koweniki ? im pretty sure hes not the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I can't find a record of our first black player. Dean Hayes' book 'Oldham Athletic An A-Z' published in 1994 states: Foreign Players. The Latics have fielded few foreign players, though a number of foreign-born players have been on Oldham's books (Doug Anderson - Hong Kong; Bill Andrews - Kansas City, USA; George Hunter - Peshawar, India; Darren McDonough - Antwerp, Belgium. The first foreign player to represent the club was Ryszard Kowenicki who signed for £12,000 from Poilsh side Widzew Lodz in December 1979. The second, Gunnar Halle, joined Athletic for a reported £250,000 from Lillestrom in January 1991. Gunnar's international exploits with Norway have been well documented in recent years. A brief appearance by Dutchman Orfeo Keizersweerd in the second half of Athletic's game at Liverpool in April 1993 completes the list. One player with a foreign name was John Sleeuwenhoek, the son of a Dutch parachute instructor, but he was in fact born in Wednesford! Obviously we have had more foreign players since the book was written. The 'Oldham Athletic Complete Record 1899-1988' book by Garth Dykes gives the dates of the foreign-born players as: Doug Anderson 1980-1984 Bill Andrews 1908-1909 George Hunter 1912-13 Darren McDonough 1977-86. So it looks like Bill Andrews was the first foreign-born player, and before anyone asks - no, I didn't see him or George Hunter play! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMAX Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 It's before my time but Alan Groves was before Palmer. I was going to say this for a laugh,Grovesy wasnt Black, Half caste,mixed race or qiuarter caste!!!! Car Valentine was the first non white player I can remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanakapan Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I was going to say this for a laugh,Grovesy wasnt Black, Half caste,mixed race or qiuarter caste!!!! Car Valentine was the first non white player I can remember. Isnt calling them black racist ? Discuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMAX Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Isnt calling them black racist ? Discuss I was brought up in the Seventies to say Coloured not to offend People of Afro Carribbean origin ,in the late eighties/early nineties your PC brigade insisted we call the same People Black as Coloured is a patronising term. Now it seems to have gone full circle. All my Friends of West Indian Origin dont give a flying Sh1te what people say,its just your Pc do- gooders who make an issue of these things!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanakapan Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 I was brought up in the Seventies to say Coloured not to offend People of Afro Carribbean origin ,in the late eighties/early nineties your PC brigade insisted we call the same People Black as Coloured is a patronising term. Now it seems to have gone full circle. All my Friends of West Indian Origin dont give a flying Sh1te what people say,its just your Pc do- gooders who make an issue of these things!!! just call them people works for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty doesn't know Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 who cares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don't worry be happy Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 just call them people works for me ryzard kowenike gosh that brings back memories...wouldn,t go astray in village people,a bit of a coup when he signed for us ..as foreign players where a rarity back then... oops am i allowed to say foreign??? or could that be deemed to be as a racist term???? DON;T WORRY BE HAPPY.... DON;T WORRY BE HAPPY DON'T WORRY BE HAPPY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 The first I recall was Carl Valentine. Canadian International as well docha know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 The first I recall was Carl Valentine. Canadian International as well docha know! Are you allowed to say Canadian? http://theframeproblem.wordpress.com/2008/...o-black-people/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 are you allowed to say .........well ......... anything these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 are you allowed to say .........well ......... anything these days? It depends in which context you say "anything". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 We don't need any Canadians. Wrong sort of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 are you allowed to say .........well ......... anything these days? In them gud ol days Valentine was effectionately known as 'Chocky Valentine' and no one batted an eyelid least of all Valentine I'd wager. The world's gone madly soft in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 anything ...as in ....normal everyday talk anything... or..can i still say that !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EASTLEY Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 actually it was chalkie not choccy - but it is all a throw back to another era!!!! I mean the pc brigade do create issues but we can't seriously condone some of the old style racism - remember hostile leeds or rangers throwing bananas at mark walters - there's no place for any of it within an educated society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 actually it was chalkie not choccy - but it is all a throw back to another era!!!! I mean the pc brigade do create issues but we can't seriously condone some of the old style racism - remember hostile leeds or rangers throwing bananas at mark walters - there's no place for any of it within an educated society You are indeed correct it was Chalkie! it's my age brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny punkster Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 i always thought at the time as a kid,he was called chalky cause he always seemed to have "chalk" or lime from the pitch markings all over him during games,but most noticably in his hair! i hope thats the reason anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lags Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 i always thought at the time as a kid,he was called chalky cause he always seemed to have "chalk" or lime from the pitch markings all over him during games,but most noticably in his hair! i hope thats the reason anyway! And why would you think the Chalk would stand out so much? anyway, he was a footballer for Latics....and mostly a good un too! had a really odd body action running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 You are indeed correct it was Chalkie! it's my age brother It's old Army nicknames isn't it? Anyone called White would be Chalky, hence the irony of calling a black feller it. Unless I'm still drunk and making things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 We don't need any Canadians. Wrong sort of people. http://theframeproblem.wordpress.com/2008/...o-black-people/ In the Texas court system they would call Carl Valentine a Canadian, but not Carlo Corrazzin. Wonder what they call rednecks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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