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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/aug/14/premierleague

 

Following all this talk about atmosphere ... this appeared in the Guardian today, interesting to see that Newcastle offer St discounts for those wanting to sit in the singing section. If I don't sit there would i be thrown out for singing????

 

Atmosphere is why I love the football ... take that away and I've nothing. since the terraces went it as never been the same ...... I respect others around me, but hate sitting. Christ I had a battle getting the Ernie flags it Tues ....

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/aug/14/premierleague

 

Following all this talk about atmosphere ... this appeared in the Guardian today, interesting to see that Newcastle offer St discounts for those wanting to sit in the singing section. If I don't sit there would i be thrown out for singing????

 

Atmosphere is why I love the football ... take that away and I've nothing. since the terraces went it as never been the same ...... I respect others around me, but hate sitting. Christ I had a battle getting the Ernie flags it Tues ....

I hope, from an RRE perspective anyway, that some kind of mutual agreement will be made this season, in which those who want to sit and simply enjoy the game will occupate one part of the stand (preferbly the right hand side) and those who want to stand and create an atmosphere will occupate the other. This type of thing normally happens at away game, E.G. Huddersfield, so why not home games?

 

I think offering discounts to those who want to sing at home games is a little unfair though. There is many fans as passionate as those who go to games and try to create an atmosphere who would prefer to sit and enjoy the game, and I don't think that they should be discriminated against.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/aug/14/premierleague

 

Following all this talk about atmosphere ... this appeared in the Guardian today, interesting to see that Newcastle offer St discounts for those wanting to sit in the singing section. If I don't sit there would i be thrown out for singing????

 

Atmosphere is why I love the football ... take that away and I've nothing. since the terraces went it as never been the same ...... I respect others around me, but hate sitting. Christ I had a battle getting the Ernie flags it Tues ....

I think maybe a bit due to no terraces because if you think about it you don't want a child that is saying that there legs are aching or an old man moaning about the same thing so there you go it means that people who are willing to sing will stand there. The problem with these article is that its about the premiership so does not concern us. It is true to a lesser extent that the working class are being priced out of the game.

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There needs to be a area in every ground where it is exceptable to stand, shout and swear - football is the one place that you can get angry and sometimes be an idiot, as much as the game matters the whole experience that goes with that is as big as an attraction.....all they need to do is make an area of the RRE where it is ok to sing etc, if not the moaners are going to carry on moaning, the problem is easily resolved

 

Well done with the flags as well by the way, they looked class

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"The atmosphere is declining, if not dying, at many matches - it's not as vibrant as it used to be. And that is not what the television companies who fund our clubs want."

 

How ironic is that? TV is keeping people away from games, but the TV companies want the fans in the stadium to provide an atmosphere for those sitting at home, who are the first to point out all the empty seats in the stadium.

 

I wonder how bad it wil have to get before the TV companies arrange for fans to be let in for a nominal amount, or even free, for televised games, in order to improve the product for the viewers. The world is going mad!

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I've been saying until I'm fluo yellow in the face that we should have singing sections - no need for discounts - where like-minded fans can gather and sing their hearts out for the lads. Nothing to stop fans outside the singing sections joining in if they wish.

 

This whole concept is fascinating... seeing Newcastle have introduced discounts to singers, I wonder what hapens if people go in that section purely because of the discount... and then DONT sing...!?

 

Do they have anti-stewards? Stewards who patrol the area for people who are not singing and not standing up??? ... is there a certain amount of songs you have to sing? What happens if you are 5-0 down???

 

:wink:

 

I agree it should happen, and with the section next to the away fans in the roccy they had the perfect opportunity to try it out...

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I wonder how bad it wil have to get before the TV companies arrange for fans to be let in for a nominal amount, or even free, for televised games, in order to improve the product for the viewers. The world is going mad!

 

And talking about fluo yellow in the face...

 

Now, not to put a bad spin on the article, but most people in the country are middle class and the average age is about 44. A shift in who buys tickets is really irrelevant , so long as they are bought.

 

Atmosphere at stadiums is about sitting down. Nothing else is relevant.

 

 

The article did make me think about buying a camper van though.

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trouble is its right.! I remember going to Latics for the first time as an adult and after slagging off my best mate for years for going. I went and instantly fell in love with the atmosphere. The risks I took in buying season tickets cost me in the long run. But when almost the entire Chaddy end sang the goalkeepers name (Andy Goram) and cheered each name ... booed the oppositions names frantically chanting 'come on Oldham' as the game kicked off. Superb !!!!!!!.

 

Matches are not the same these days ... the closest to those matches was the masters ... we created the atmophere.. had banter.

 

In all walks we will encounter people who selfishly cannot act with responsibilty but I (maybe naivley) genuinly believe that 90% of the footballing crowd go to watch the football and have a laugh with likeminded mates. The 10% dear me, a crowd of 500 Craig Davies' little respect, and selfish enough not to care that the ruin it for the majority. That said Sky and its total anylistic report of the game, singling out individuals for critisism and love of only the elite coupled with the stupid prices charge for matchday entry and the even more stupid salaries that these earn. £140,000 a week plus bonuses. I would be exstatic to earn this in two years let alone weekly. Greed and corparate selfishness along with the denands of agents and salaries has all but killed the game dead.

 

There are loads of people who use this forum who would love to go back to that era of atmosphere and there are some who have never experienced it. One poster has the penalty scored by Neil Redfearn as his signature. Now that was an atmosphere.

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most people in the country are middle class

 

no way, no no way. thats a myth perpetuated by people who use house prices as a guide to a countries wealth. a country whos population is over £1trillion in debt, where 1/3 of the children live in at least 'relative' poverty, where half the pensioners live in 'fuel poverty', where life expectancy can vary by as much as ten years depending on your postcode, and where crime is a job, can never be described as 'mostly middle class'. living in a house you have to work 40+ hours a week and juggle three credit cards to keep and driving a flash car on finance either by yourself or your employer, does not make you middle class just cos tony blair said 'were all middle class now'

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And talking about fluo yellow in the face...

 

Now, not to put a bad spin on the article, but most people in the country are middle class and the average age is about 44. A shift in who buys tickets is really irrelevant , so long as they are bought.

 

Atmosphere at stadiums is about sitting down. Nothing else is relevant.

The article did make me think about buying a camper van though.

 

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I am younger than the average bear boo-boo

 

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no way, no no way. thats a myth perpetuated by people who use house prices as a guide to a countries wealth. a country whos population is over £1trillion in debt, where 1/3 of the children live in at least 'relative' poverty, where half the pensioners live in 'fuel poverty', where life expectancy can vary by as much as ten years depending on your postcode, and where crime is a job, can never be described as 'mostly middle class'. living in a house you have to work 40+ hours a week and juggle three credit cards to keep and driving a flash car on finance either by yourself or your employer, does not make you middle class just cos tony blair said 'were all middle class now'

 

Don't care what politicians say. I look around and there are very few really poor people. Most people are such as myself. Living in reasonable prosperity. Ten year old car, house of their own, wage that easily covers the costs. It may change in the near future (but that's why some have saved up), but for the moment, and for as long as I have known, there hasn't been any one completely indigent.

 

I guess it depends upon your classification though.

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There are loads of people who use this forum who would love to go back to that era of atmosphere and there are some who have never experienced it. One poster has the penalty scored by Neil Redfearn as his signature. Now that was an atmosphere.

 

Exactly, a good atmosphere today is nothing compared to the old Chaddy terrace days. I really believe the new generation of supporters missed out on something, look how people gasp at clips of European teams supporters singing on mass in the stands. Not saying it was a good as that but it came close at times.

 

I'm glad the flags for Ernie were so well received and I will be looking to do something similar with later on in the year with similar flags. Probally on a legends theme and they'll be more banners on the way .. just there seems less and less spaces to put the things up on especially in the modern grounds.

 

I hate the concept of allocating a section for singers as in my ideal world we should all be singing, I just don't get how anyone can go to a game and not want to sing and cheeer the team on for 90 minutes ... but that's me.

 

Unfortunately, a singing section (well two on for the Chaddy / one for the RRE) is the best way to avoid all the issued that have been brought up all week .... would I sit there probally not as I've sure I'd have santa in my face every two minutes as the stewards will know exactly were to gather

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How ironic is that? TV is keeping people away from games, but the TV companies want the fans in the stadium to provide an atmosphere for those sitting at home, who are the first to point out all the empty seats in the stadium.

 

I wonder how bad it wil have to get before the TV companies arrange for fans to be let in for a nominal amount, or even free, for televised games, in order to improve the product for the viewers. The world is going mad!

It's happening already, with people getting into the likes of Wigan for less than it costs to get into Latics. It doesn't bode well for the likes of us, and indicates the urgent need for none-football income.

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definately depends on your classification. if you spend 40% of your life asleep and 40% at work then your working class, whatever you wish to pretend.

People in what you would tend to define as, "middle class," or, "professional," jobs work longer hours on average than those in more traditional working class ones - I would hardly say that an accountant working till midnight to get an audit completed or a lawyer working long hours to keep up to date with his cases is more working class than someone in for example a factory job or working on the railways who would normally expect to shoot off when their shift is done. It's a complext issue these days.

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It's happening already, with people getting into the likes of Wigan for less more than it costs to get into Latics. It doesn't bode well for the likes of us, and indicates the urgent need for none-football income.

 

Oops, messes up the statement. Wigwam is more for all bar the category C games, and even then it is the naff seats that are £20.

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definately depends on your classification. if you spend 40% of your life asleep and 40% at work then your working class, whatever you wish to pretend.

 

:lol:

 

It is not as simple as that :P

 

If you want to piegon hole people into class you usally review the following pointers: education, occupation, and income

 

Working class = low level of education. physical labour / unskilled low paid work (usally by the hour)

 

Good description of working class is: Anyone that is employed to do low paid unskilled work.

 

Middle class = high level of education. skilled / moderate to high paid work (usally by the month)

 

Good desciption of middle class is: people who have some economic independence but not a great deal of social influence or power. The term often encompasses merchants and professionals, academics, bureaucrats, and skilled workers.

 

Upper class = No requirement for education. Usally born into wealth. No requirment to work.

 

Good description of the upper class is: A group of people at the top of a social hierarchy. Members of an upper class often have great power over the allocation of resources and governmental policy in their area.

 

 

 

 

The idea that what car you drive, what house you live or the hours you work determines your "class" status is rubbish. That just silly newspaper talk.

 

By the way I dont think we really live in a class based society any more. Since education became truely accesible to everyone! And if it did exist there would be more than three classes for a start......

 

What about dole scummer......?? :)

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Bloody season ticket holders.

 

I hereby retract my correcting of Leeslovers already correct statement.

 

Bollocks.

I graciously accept your humiliating climbdown.

 

:lol:

 

It is not as simple as that :P

 

If you want to piegon hole people into class you usally review the following pointers: education, occupation, and income

 

Working class = low level of education. physical labour / unskilled low paid work (usally by the hour)

 

Good description of working class is: Anyone that is employed to do low paid unskilled work.

 

Middle class = high level of education. skilled / moderate to high paid work (usally by the month)

 

Good desciption of middle class is: people who have some economic independence but not a great deal of social influence or power. The term often encompasses merchants and professionals, academics, bureaucrats, and skilled workers.

 

Upper class = No requirement for education. Usally born into wealth. No requirment to work.

 

Good description of the upper class is: A group of people at the top of a social hierarchy. Members of an upper class often have great power over the allocation of resources and governmental policy in their area.

The idea that what car you drive, what house you live or the hours you work determines your "class" status is rubbish. That just silly newspaper talk.

 

By the way I dont think we really live in a class based society any more. Since education became truely accesible to everyone! And if it did exist there would be more than three classes for a start......

 

What about dole scummer......?? :)

Can't agree with that in regards to working class - there are lots of "working class" jobs that are highly skilled and well paid.

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Can't agree with that in regards to working class - there are lots of "working class" jobs that are highly skilled and well paid.

 

Well you can disagree wih me if you want but my descripion is of the "working class" is correct. The fact that you disagree is because we do not live in a class based society anymore. The boundaries have been erroded and its hard to fit people into just three classes. But traditionally my explanation of the working class stands up. Its pritty much the text book description.

 

Out of intrest can you name a "working class job" which is highly skilled and well paid ?

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Well you can disagree wih me if you want but my descripion is of the "working class" is correct. The fact that you disagree is because we do not live in a class based society anymore. The boundaries have been erroded and its hard to fit people into just three classes. But traditionally my explanation of the working class stands up. Its pritty much the text book description.

 

Out of intrest can you name a "working class job" which is highly skilled and well paid ?

Mechanic, plumber, any number of specialists in heavy industry, various within construction just off the top of my head. I'd be glad to swap my renumeration package for being a Business Analyst for what a Tube driver is on.

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