dish Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 The only reason why The Lookers has been knocked down is because even after paying for the demolition, the club made a profit selling the materials (ie. steel) as scrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 The only reason why The Lookers has been knocked down is because even after paying for the demolition, the club made a profit selling the materials (ie. steel) as scrap. Cool, sell the roof from the Chaddy too then. The atmosphere would double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAFC_ULTRA Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Cool, sell the roof from the Chaddy too then. The atmosphere would double. What so it would sound like 20 people singing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I love people who have no clue about a situation and feel the need to push their high powered opinion on other people when they are not a expert in finance or development. TTA are not daft, and TBH if I was them I would only constuct a new stand when they feel the time is right. And lets be totally honest, the ground is not bursting at the seems and even with promotion 10,000 could be catered for. Doom and gloom , cool your jets!! I hate those people. I expect TTA will build the new Main Stand as soon as it is financially viable. Capacity is irrelevant, the development isn't about increasing capacity as unfortunatley we can easily cater for our crowds. It is about the vital 'non-football' revenue which comes with the Main Stand. I predict Richards will soon be off to United and this will fund the Main Stand, although I have no idea what range of tenders have been submitted. Would £3-4 million build it??? Suppose it would also depend on how and when Citeh pay us.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edhunteruk Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I hate those people. I expect TTA will build the new Main Stand as soon as it is financially viable. Capacity is irrelevant, the development isn't about increasing capacity as unfortunatley we can easily cater for our crowds. It is about the vital 'non-football' revenue which comes with the Main Stand. I predict Richards will soon be off to United and this will fund the Main Stand, although I have no idea what range of tenders have been submitted. Would £3-4 million build it??? Suppose it would also depend on how and when Citeh pay us.... the first phase is complete....they have retrospective planning permission....the stand is down......the clayton arms is down and the haulage company buildings are down...... it wouldnt make any sense at all to push on with the new stand immediately,not whilst there is this economic climate and the start of a recession.... for all we know tta's could be looking for an alternative site whilst the prices have plunged,hedging there bets so to speak.... the royal oldham hospital is expanding at a rate of knotts,and builing a specialist cancer unit....the location of the ground is ideal for the hospital to expand into,and also for the council to redevelop for leisure.... i beleive it will be built.but not in the next 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Probably got the word from Corp Jones! When am I supposed to have said the new stadium won't be built? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I hate those people. I predict Richards will soon be off to United and this will fund the Main Stand, although I have no idea what range of tenders have been submitted. Would £3-4 million build it??? Suppose it would also depend on how and when Citeh pay us.... Richards will never be sold to United. When and if he is sold to somebody else he will go for a lot less than people generally talk about because, although he is good, he is overrated. The sums being talked about for a kid in an underachieving side are ridiculous and won't be paid, especially in the coming economic climate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfatjoe1 Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 The Housing market is current going through a blip or as some are calling it a correction. However, the reports published in the last few weeks, are suggesting strong growth in house prices over the next 5 years. Although we are seeing a fall in prices this year and falls may continue into next year, over the next 5 years prices are forecast to rise 23%. Once the "blip" or "correction" is over, the basic problem within the housing market will remain. That is there is and will remain a shortage of housing. A net 3,000,000 new houses over and above those replacing demolished houses need to be built over the next 10 years to meet demand. Once the banks get their heads out of their backsides and start lending to each other again and mortgages become more freely available, house prices will start "creeping up" again. So whilst the club & TTA have a short term problem in selling the land and therefore funding the stadium redevelopment, this will ease over the next 18 months to 2 years allowing the land to be sold and redevelopment to start (unless of course City sell Micah in the meantime) TTA will need to be patient until things improve, but once they do, the big boys, i.e. Barretts, Redrow, Persimmon etc will be falling over themselves for sites like BP and TTA should still get the money they were expecting. Also don't expect to see nearly 700 apartments to be built around the ground. It will not happen. The housing industry has seen that multiple tall blocks of apartments are no longer the in thing. (Just go round Manchester and see the number of unsold new apartment blocks) I expect to see a mix of houses and smaller blocks of apartments with some 350-400 units being built instead. With regard to the 3 year time limit on the planning permission, this only applies on the new Broadway stand. The rest of the site was only an outline consent and therefore there is a 3 year time limit to submit for the detailed consent and then a further 2 year period to start that part of the redevelopment. In any event, the principle of the redevelopment has been established and even if consent were to run out, any application to renew would be difficult to refuse unless there was a major change in circumstances, which because of the nature of the surrounding area is highly unlikely. The council would treat the demoilition of the Broadway stand, Clayton Arms etc as "enabling works" and not the start of development work so the 3 year period to start the work is still running. In the meantime our 3 sided ground needs to be made to work to our advantage. It will be interesting to see what sort of atmosphere we have this week without the Millwall mob. I think this is about right, but there are other factors which muddy the waters. The rented sector is actually getting stronger, which might change views about purchasing apartments for rent etc. One positive about the Lookers. It needed money for its basic upkeep. We are, therefore, saving a little bit on maintenance. And we don't have to worry about a 10,000 capacity. At least in the short to medium term, historically we rarely need more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 (edited) Richards will never be sold to United. When and if he is sold to somebody else he will go for a lot less than people generally talk about because, although he is good, he is overrated. The sums being talked about for a kid in an underachieving side are ridiculous and won't be paid, especially in the coming economic climate. I dont think £15-20 million is a 'ridiculous' valuation at all. Well, of course it's ridiculous but you know what I mean. He has to be as valuable as Robbie Keane for example. As for him never being sold to United......if you say so! Not that I care where he goes. P.S Economic climates are irrelevant to the Premier League, not least because it is a global league. Edited August 21, 2008 by Stitch_KTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 When am I supposed to have said the new stadium won't be built? Afternoon Corporal. Thought you'd left us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyPimp Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Richards will never be sold to United. When and if he is sold to somebody else he will go for a lot less than people generally talk about because, although he is good, he is overrated. The sums being talked about for a kid in an underachieving side are ridiculous and won't be paid, especially in the coming economic climate. I agree that Richards is over-rated and to be honest, I'm not even sure what his current 'value' is amongst our fans. However, one thing I do know is that the coming economic climate (is it cold and wet by the way?!) won't affect the greedy league. That golden shower seems about as recession proof as they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I think this is about right, but there are other factors which muddy the waters. The rented sector is actually getting stronger, which might change views about purchasing apartments for rent etc. One positive about the Lookers. It needed money for its basic upkeep. We are, therefore, saving a little bit on maintenance. And we don't have to worry about a 10,000 capacity. At least in the short to medium term, historically we rarely need more than that. Rental housing sector is, flats is not so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I agree that Richards is over-rated and to be honest, I'm not even sure what his current 'value' is amongst our fans. However, one thing I do know is that the coming economic climate (is it cold and wet by the way?!) won't affect the greedy league. That golden shower seems about as recession proof as they get. Apart from the fact the top 4 are owned by the banks. If they want their 2 billion back - if the recession hits, who knows what could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 the first phase is complete....they have retrospective planning permission....the stand is down......the clayton arms is down and the haulage company buildings are down...... it wouldnt make any sense at all to push on with the new stand immediately,not whilst there is this economic climate and the start of a recession.... for all we know tta's could be looking for an alternative site whilst the prices have plunged,hedging there bets so to speak.... the royal oldham hospital is expanding at a rate of knotts,and builing a specialist cancer unit....the location of the ground is ideal for the hospital to expand into,and also for the council to redevelop for leisure.... i beleive it will be built.but not in the next 3 years. At the end of the day we will average similar crowds to last season in three stands, reducing our matchday overheads in the region of 10-25% presumably, which could explain why we have got such a big squad (which I think someone has already mentioned). Look at Leeds, they have closed the top tier of the big stand for exactly the same reason. From a buisiness point of view, we probably should have shut the lookers years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Afternoon Corporal. Thought you'd left us! I've never been away. I'm quiet when I'm happy with my football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oa_exile Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 I've never been away. I'm quiet when I'm happy with my football. So how come you are posting now then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corporal_Jones Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 So how come you are posting now then ? I was reading the thread and noticed that LaticsPete and martjs implied that I have said that I don't believe that BP redevelopment will ever take place, which isn't in the slightest bit true. What I might have done is suggested that there is no worthwhile future for professional football in Oldham if it doesn't, and that for a whole variety of factors the redevelopment isn't guaranteed, but these aren't the same as claiming, as somebody has done by implication in this thread, that there is no intention on the part of the club of BP being redeveloped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosa Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't TTA make their money from property development? OK the housing market's in the crapper at the moment but that's not gonna last forever. (Unless of course everyone takes the advice of that 'think tank' report and moves to Surrey) It's gonna pick up sooner or later and surely our owners are pretty well placed to know when and how to sell the land? As for the capacity issues...our average gates were less than 7000 last time we were in the second division (or whatever they're calling it nowadays), and our first home game of the season was only around 5500 so i really can't see that being an issue any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hometownclub Posted August 22, 2008 Share Posted August 22, 2008 Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't TTA make their money from property development? I thought they made their money from Mobile Phones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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