pukka Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I left yesterdays game feeling as sad (thats the right word) as I ever have done on leaving a game. Not angry, not frustrated, but sad. I looked over at Big Joe and thought. "I' dont wanna remember this" I was only young, but I still was at latics games under big joe. Home and away. Big Joe took me to Wembleyt twice, allowed me to give grief to United fans (At primary school) after we beat em and I can remember games like Scarborough, Brighton, Chelsea where we hammered teams. I dont want to remember Big Joe with that lot. Seriously consiering not going the rest of this season. Honestly - it kinda upset me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I left yesterdays game feeling as sad (thats the right word) as I ever have done on leaving a game. Not angry, not frustrated, but sad. I looked over at Big Joe and thought. "I' dont wanna remember this" I was only young, but I still was at latics games under big joe. Home and away. Big Joe took me to Wembleyt twice, allowed me to give grief to United fans (At primary school) after we beat em and I can remember games like Scarborough, Brighton, Chelsea where we hammered teams. I dont want to remember Big Joe with that lot. Seriously consiering not going the rest of this season. Honestly - it kinda upset me. I had similar feelings - yesterday was my all round worst experience at BP. However having slept on it I have regained a touch of optimism. IF we can beat Cheltenham and Leyton Orient this week, which is a tall order, we might just get ourselves back in the frame with 6 games to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I want to see Joe Royle deliver the miracle, but it was always going to be a big ask. It will typically take a new manager half a dozen games to get a proper feel for how his side react to his tactics and motivation and during that time he has to tinker. If we show signs of improvement during the next few games, perhaps winning the last 3 or 4, but miss out on the play-offs, we know it won't be Joe Royle's fault. (I'd put the responsibility on Shez, others would say it's those who remove Shez from role, either way, we are where we are). In the scenario mentioned above, I'd offer Royle the job permanently. If it really doesn't improve between now and season end, my mind still closes in on Jim Gannon. Who led his side to an apparently inept drubbing at lowly Northampton yesterday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I had similar feelings - yesterday was my all round worst experience at BP. However having slept on it I have regained a touch of optimism. IF we can beat Cheltenham and Leyton Orient this week, which is a tall order, we might just get ourselves back in the frame with 6 games to go. IF, IF, IF, that must be the most commonly used word on this site...Face it, our playoff dreams are well and truly over. IF we couldn't get motivated for yesterday's game then forget it...we will need to win at least 5 or possibly 6 out of the last 8 games to have a chance of the playoffs and we've only won 4 since Christmas. I think that put's it into perspective...It's NOT going to happen!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Good post but to be fair to Gannon his hands are tied at County. An understatement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Good post but to be fair to Gannon his hands are tied at County. An understatement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty doesn't know Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I left yesterdays game feeling as sad (thats the right word) as I ever have done on leaving a game. Not angry, not frustrated, but sad. I looked over at Big Joe and thought. "I' dont wanna remember this" I was only young, but I still was at latics games under big joe. Home and away. Big Joe took me to Wembleyt twice, allowed me to give grief to United fans (At primary school) after we beat em and I can remember games like Scarborough, Brighton, Chelsea where we hammered teams. I dont want to remember Big Joe with that lot. Seriously consiering not going the rest of this season. Honestly - it kinda upset me. i said this could happen and i was right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 IF, IF, IF, that must be the most commonly used word on this site...Face it, our playoff dreams are well and truly over. IF we couldn't get motivated for yesterday's game then forget it...we will need to win at least 5 or possibly 6 out of the last 8 games to have a chance of the playoffs and we've only won 4 since Christmas. I think that put's it into perspective...It's NOT going to happen!!!! I reckon motivation is the most commonly used word on this site. People like you seem to think it is the sole factor in a teams level of performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 I reckon motivation is the most commonly used word on this site. People like you seem to think it is the sole factor in a teams level of performance. There are a lot of factors that determine a teams level of performance but I would say apart from having the nesscesary skill, desire and motivation would be pretty high on anybody's list of requirements don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy_Fent Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Good post but to be fair to Gannon his hands are tied at County. It's been well documented that Jim Gannon is fed up at County Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehobbit Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 It's been well documented that Jim Gannon is fed up at County What chance royle till the end of the season then gannon takes over in the summer............ Im not keen on Gannon to be honest but it seems other are could be at the back off tta's minds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 There are a lot of factors that determine a teams level of performance but I would say apart from having the nesscesary skill, desire and motivation would be pretty high on anybody's list of requirements don't you think? Yes I do - did I somehow suggest otherwise? To go against the general consensus on here I actually think the players looked up for it yesterday. Motivation is the easy thing to bleat about following a bad result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Yes I do - did I somehow suggest otherwise? To go against the general consensus on here I actually think the players looked up for it yesterday. Motivation is the easy thing to bleat about following a bad result. We certainly weren't up for it as much as Tranmere and after they scored our heads went down almost straight away. Some of our players seem to think they can stroll around, play pretty football, and everything will come good but it isn't like that and a bit more application and effort is what's required...or are we just plain crap!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 (edited) To go against the general consensus on here I actually think the players looked up for it yesterday. They did, but they ran out of steam. 2-2 would have been a fair half time score. The problem is they seemed bereft of ideas, and solving that is going to be Joe's biggest problem. They've been bereft of ideas for too long and changing that instantly is asking a hell of a lot. There are always the tangibles - tactics, game plan and personnel. Then there are those things that are harder to guage - attitude, motivation and belief. Footballers with the right chunks of these can achieve more than those blessed with a natural talent and a piss poor approach to the way they go about things. But if we are going to hoof it up to the front pair as much as we did yesterday (while on the whole our opponents kept it on the deck rather well) we need a target man. Kabba, Hughes and Alessandra don't fit the bill. Edited March 22, 2009 by opinions4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 They did, but they ran out of steam. 2-2 would have been a fair half time score. The problem is they seemed bereft of ideas, and solving that is going to be Joe's biggest problem. They've been bereft of ideas for too long and changing that instantly is asking a hell of a lot. There are always the tangibles - tactics, game plan and personnel. Then there are those things that are harder to guage - attitude, motivation and belief. Footballers with the right chunks of these can achieve more than those blessed with a natural talent and a piss poor approach to the way they go about things. But if we are going to hoof it up to the front pair as much as we did yesterday (while on the whole our opponents kept it on the deck rather well) we need a target man. Kabba, Hughes and Alessandra don't fit the bill. Yep, another decent and worthwhile opinion4me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch_KTF Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 We certainly weren't up for it as much as Tranmere and after they scored our heads went down almost straight away. Some of our players seem to think they can stroll around, play pretty football, and everything will come good but it isn't like that and a bit more application and effort is what's required...or are we just plain crap!! I don't think motivation was a factor in yesterdays result. So yes, we may be crap! The players just don't seem to have been playing to their strengths recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 They did, but they ran out of steam. 2-2 would have been a fair half time score. The problem is they seemed bereft of ideas, and solving that is going to be Joe's biggest problem. They've been bereft of ideas for too long and changing that instantly is asking a hell of a lot. There are always the tangibles - tactics, game plan and personnel. Then there are those things that are harder to guage - attitude, motivation and belief. Footballers with the right chunks of these can achieve more than those blessed with a natural talent and a piss poor approach to the way they go about things. But if we are going to hoof it up to the front pair as much as we did yesterday (while on the whole our opponents kept it on the deck rather well) we need a target man. Kabba, Hughes and Alessandra don't fit the bill. They've been hoofing it up to the likes of Ormerod, Allesandra, Kabba, Hughes, and Byfield nearly all season so they have either been told to play that way or they are a little bit lacking upstairs and opt for the easy option...Getting rid of the ball!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 They've been hoofing it up to the likes of Ormerod, Allesandra, Kabba, Hughes, and Byfield nearly all season so they have either been told to play that way or they are a little bit lacking upstairs and opt for the easy option...Getting rid of the ball!!! Yet they were so bloody good when they kept it on the deck at the start of the season! Yep, another decent and worthwhile opinion4me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spadam Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 What chance royle till the end of the season then gannon takes over in the summer............ Im not keen on Gannon to be honest but it seems other are could be at the back off tta's minds Maybe that was the idea along. Get bums on seats by appointing Royle then if he fails on the field then get Gannon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc1955 Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 Maybe that was the idea along. Get bums on seats by appointing Royle then if he fails on the field then get Gannon. I reckon Royle is going to stay as he would guarantee a few extra season tickets and I also reckon he was sounded out before Shez's exit. There's no way we would have sacked Sheridan without first making enquires as to his successor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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