Make your own tory poster

[oafc0000]

http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php

 

 

 

Hours of tory bashing fun!!!

 

[Max Damage]

How easy the labour bunch forget. Labour have 3 times left this country bankrupt and broken leading to IMF intervention and currency collapses. Of course these things happen the months after they had gone leaving the next lot forced to sort the total mess out.

 

2010 and Labour have left us in the biggest hole we have ever seen and all you can do is Tory bash.

 

I am no lover of Cameron and think in politics we have a bunch of career freeloaders but there is no denying the socialist labour are a bunch of spend, spend, spend idiots who have recently become far more sinister than ever in their desires to take total control, topped of by their traitorship on European referendum and their disgusting involvement in 2 illegal wars.

 

And all that is before you even begin to talk about their failed mass immigration policy.

Edited March 16, 2010 by Max Damage

[oafc0000]

How easy the labour bunch forget. Labour have 3 times left this country bankrupt and broken leading to IMF intervention and currency collapses. Of course these things happen the months after they had gone leaving the next lot forced to sort the total mess out.

 

2010 and Labour have left us in the biggest hole we have ever seen and all you can do is Tory bash.

 

I am no lover of Cameron and think in politics we have a bunch of career freeloaders but there is no denying the socialist labour are a bunch of spend, spend, spend idiots who have recently become far more sinister than ever in their desires to take total control, topped of by their traitorship on European referendum and their disgusting involvement in 2 illegal wars.

 

And all that is before you even begin to talk about their failed mass immigration policy.

 

 

Bloody hell just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water... It was a bit of fun Max..

 

Do you know Kosovo was an illegal war as well?

 

People can slag Labour off all they want but please don't vote Tory... It isn't going to help...

Edited March 16, 2010 by oafc0000

[Macca]

[oafc0000]

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Best one yet

 

 

You should post in main forum

[Lookers_Carl]

How easy the labour bunch forget. Labour have 3 times left this country bankrupt and broken leading to IMF intervention and currency collapses. Of course these things happen the months after they had gone leaving the next lot forced to sort the total mess out.

 

2010 and Labour have left us in the biggest hole we have ever seen and all you can do is Tory bash.

 

I am no lover of Cameron and think in politics we have a bunch of career freeloaders but there is no denying the socialist labour are a bunch of spend, spend, spend idiots who have recently become far more sinister than ever in their desires to take total control, topped of by their traitorship on European referendum and their disgusting involvement in 2 illegal wars.

 

And all that is before you even begin to talk about their failed mass immigration policy.

 

Very true

 

But the older generation (definitely round here) also vividly remember 12 percent interest rates, poll tax, and Thatchers britain, and they don't forgive easily.

 

I doubt Labour have many safer seats this election than Meacher's.

[oafc0000]

Very true

 

But the older generation (definitely round here) also vividly remember 12 percent interest rates, poll tax, and Thatchers britain, and they don't forgive easily.

 

I doubt Labour have many safer seats this election than Meacher's.

 

Right on Carl...

 

Didn't they go as high as 15 percent ?

[Macca]

[Max Damage]

Not decided who to vote for as the main 3 all look crap to me. We need a new one with all the self serving crap cleared out

 

On the 15% rates it was to do with ERM as per this on Wiki and it is a reminder of why we should avoid the Euro to be honest

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday

 

Lol's on the Penney poster

[garcon]

[garcon]

Edited March 16, 2010 by garcon

[oafc0000]

 

Nice one Garcon

[opinions4u]

Didn't they go as high as 15 percent ?

For 2 hours.

[Stitch_KTF]

Not decided who to vote for as the main 3 all look crap to me. We need a new one with all the self serving crap cleared out

 

I won't bother voting as, as far as I can tell, the whole farcial system needs replacing. Everybody who knows anything about politics ought to forget it, parties ought to be outlawed and a Parliament of elected, unlabeled individuals elected in its place, each paid well but somehow well incentivesed. That would fix the comical 'turnout' overnight.

 

While we're at it Government needs winding down to the bare essential things that only government could ever do (i.e national security and policing). Taxes slashed, private healthcare, private schooling etc across the board. These services would be more efficient, and cheaper, when governed by the free market. Furthermore, you would only have to pay for what you used - good health? No doctor bills. Poor health? Tough luck/charity. No kids? No schooling costs. 5 kids? Only if you can afford them.

 

Independant responsibility, independant choices, independant opportunity. It's time we stopped trying to address everything as a nation - too many people think they're entitled to this and that on the grounds that they're English which, when you ignore society's preconceptions and boil it down to the bare bones, means absolutely nothing.

 

It's all so simple.

[Roger Ritchie]

Haven't a clue how to post a picture but http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/camer...p?poster=211763

[garcon]

Ooh, high brow satire!

[rudemedic]

http://www.andybarefoot.com/politics/cameron.php

 

 

 

Hours of tory bashing fun!!!

 

FFS the stupidity of boasting about 4 hour waits in A+E, that has done more to damage the NHS than an awful lot of things ever conceived by various Tory governments. If you have to wait 4 hrs in A+E its because you don't belong there (or you are incredibly unlucky to pick a very bad time with some very sick people being admitted that way), its accident and emergency its not accident, emergency and I couldn't see my GP for whatever reason (often because the person doesn't have one). All the 4hr wait target has done is to throw away £100k in various managers wages at every A+E department in the country to enusre that some people get bumped up the queue of clinical need just because they have been sat on their arses for 4hours. £100k buys an awful lot of stuff in the NHS but no because the government without consulting those people who actually have to deal with the problem decided it is so important it gets wasted on some busybodies who are normally ex-nurses to tell the various medical staff how to do their job. Now because the 4 hour wait is a big ranking thing, medical staff who should be doing other stuff are put under pressure to do something about the person who has been waiting to be seen for over 4hours and would really be better off going home but ends up being admitted (costing more money) because the over-worked, tired doctor doesn't fancy getting sued.

 

I'm not a Tory voter, in fact I'd struggle to let them organised a drinking session in a brewery, but I have some brain cells and can see that Labour are definately no better and have long since stopped being about the common man more about their (often private school) mates.

[leeslover]

FFS the stupidity of boasting about 4 hour waits in A+E, that has done more to damage the NHS than an awful lot of things ever conceived by various Tory governments. If you have to wait 4 hrs in A+E its because you don't belong there (or you are incredibly unlucky to pick a very bad time with some very sick people being admitted that way), its accident and emergency its not accident, emergency and I couldn't see my GP for whatever reason (often because the person doesn't have one). All the 4hr wait target has done is to throw away £100k in various managers wages at every A+E department in the country to enusre that some people get bumped up the queue of clinical need just because they have been sat on their arses for 4hours. £100k buys an awful lot of stuff in the NHS but no because the government without consulting those people who actually have to deal with the problem decided it is so important it gets wasted on some busybodies who are normally ex-nurses to tell the various medical staff how to do their job. Now because the 4 hour wait is a big ranking thing, medical staff who should be doing other stuff are put under pressure to do something about the person who has been waiting to be seen for over 4hours and would really be better off going home but ends up being admitted (costing more money) because the over-worked, tired doctor doesn't fancy getting sued.

 

I'm not a Tory voter, in fact I'd struggle to let them organised a drinking session in a brewery, but I have some brain cells and can see that Labour are definately no better and have long since stopped being about the common man more about their (often private school) mates.

Isn't that usually because your GP works very short hours and takes long holidays going on holiday to the Moon in his personal gold-plated spaceship? But hey, yes, lets have the doctors running everything, that will work.

[rudemedic]

Isn't that usually because your GP works very short hours and takes long holidays going on holiday to the Moon in his personal gold-plated spaceship? But hey, yes, lets have the doctors running everything, that will work.

 

How did I know this would be your response. I'm not after the doctors to run everything, what I'm after is to stop politicans deciding what's best for the NHS without asking those people who work there and without providing the funding to go with it. The 4 hour wait thing was probably well-intentioned but has proved very difficult to manage and far far too much money is wasted in trying to reach its targets which could be spent on other things. The NHS is a finite resource and I wish politicans would realise this before spending money they aren't willing to provide on popularist issues.

 

Obviously the situation may be different in S London but the GPs I've worked with are usually happy to see people if they think its necessary (even without an appointment) and a GP who has an awful lot more information than the standard casualty doctor is probably a better place to go. Out-of-hours care needs looking at but if you were offered to do less work (because Europe has told the government to do so) wouldn't you take it. I know you are not exactly a traffic warden but when a traffic warden's shift ends do they go home or do they keep giving out tickets until they can give out no more? How many hours a week does a traffic warden work?

[leeslover]

I know you are not exactly a traffic warden but when a traffic warden's shift ends do they go home or do they keep giving out tickets until they can give out no more? How many hours a week does a traffic warden work?

Traffic wardens typically work a standard 37.5 hour week so far as I am aware, although this involves shift work (evenings, weekends) and many take whatever overtime they can. Their wages are of course set at the lowest possible level required to get people with sufficient ability to do the job. If you asked them of course they would probably decide not to cover none-core hours and give themselves a fat pay rise, it's just the way of the world.

[rudemedic]

Traffic wardens typically work a standard 37.5 hour week so far as I am aware, although this involves shift work (evenings, weekends) and many take whatever overtime they can. Their wages are of course set at the lowest possible level required to get people with sufficient ability to do the job. If you asked them of course they would probably decide not to cover none-core hours and give themselves a fat pay rise, it's just the way of the world.

 

A full time GP will often work 8am-6pm for 4 days a week- which I believe is 40 hours- doing stuff relating to their job (a proportion of the job of a GP is paperwork, meetings and ensuring the business side of the practice runs smoothly). That doesn't include the stuff that gets done to ensure they are up to date- like reading the big medical journals which often takes up to a couple of hours at other times and most work through lunch.

 

Obviously, I'm going to be biased, but I think saying GPs work short hours (in fact doctors in general work short hours) is a bit unfair when 99% of all doctors work longer hours than the standard 9-5. Doctors are not allowed to take overtime (they get paid for working a certain number of nights and weekends), they aren't allowed to take TOIL (or Time off in lieu) for the times when they have been particularly busy, doctors aren't allowed to go on strike to get better pay or working conditions. Yes doctors get paid very well, but that pay is more a semblance of responsibility. (An F1- the most junior doctor- gets paid around £25-30k a year- but that's having gone through 5 years minimum of uni and it means working 48 paid hours a week, quite a few graduate entry jobs get paid that sort of money for working less hours).

 

To say GPs work short hours is a bit unfair (slightly hypocritical too), to say they earn too much money isn't- but like I said doctors aren't allowed to go on strike and the government decided it was going to spend more money paying the GPs for being pseudo-business people whilst the GPs were negotiating wokring less hours. I don't know too many people who turn down pay rises without alternative motives.

[oafc0000]

FFS the stupidity of boasting about 4 hour waits in A+E, that has done more to damage the NHS than an awful lot of things ever conceived by various Tory governments. If you have to wait 4 hrs in A+E its because you don't belong there (or you are incredibly unlucky to pick a very bad time with some very sick people being admitted that way), its accident and emergency its not accident, emergency and I couldn't see my GP for whatever reason (often because the person doesn't have one). All the 4hr wait target has done is to throw away £100k in various managers wages at every A+E department in the country to enusre that some people get bumped up the queue of clinical need just because they have been sat on their arses for 4hours. £100k buys an awful lot of stuff in the NHS but no because the government without consulting those people who actually have to deal with the problem decided it is so important it gets wasted on some busybodies who are normally ex-nurses to tell the various medical staff how to do their job. Now because the 4 hour wait is a big ranking thing, medical staff who should be doing other stuff are put under pressure to do something about the person who has been waiting to be seen for over 4hours and would really be better off going home but ends up being admitted (costing more money) because the over-worked, tired doctor doesn't fancy getting sued.

 

I'm not a Tory voter, in fact I'd struggle to let them organised a drinking session in a brewery, but I have some brain cells and can see that Labour are definately no better and have long since stopped being about the common man more about their (often private school) mates.

 

I can only comment upon my own experiences in the last 10 years... Three visits to Oldham A&E and seen in less than three hours... Five vists to Warrington A&E and never took more than 1 hour to be seen. Now I remember going when I was younger under the torys and it taking well over 7 hours to be seen.

 

What are you saying ? I should be made to wait seven hours ?

 

NHS Budget under the Torys was something like £35 billion. Currently under Labour it is something like £135 billion.

 

2002-03: £65.4bn

2003-04: £72.1bn

2004-05: £79.3bn

2005-06: £87.2bn

2006-07: £95.9bn

2007-08: £105.6bn

 

Mother in law is a staff nurse at Warrington General... Mum, Dad, Brother and Brother in law all working at the NHS in various capacities. One thing the ALL agree on is the only thing you can hang on Labours door is not getting 100% value for money for all the money that has been spent. aka wastage on managers etc. But that money has made a difference.

 

To make claims that the NHS is no better under Labour is to be frank, :censored:ing absurd and grounded in zero reality.

Edited March 16, 2010 by oafc0000

[oafc0000]

In my mind Labour got two things badly wrong.

 

• Lack of regulation of the banks (that said, to think this is something the UK had total control over or we alone could averted the world collapse is silly)
• War in Iraq

 

Outside of that I find it hard to attack them (although I could think of a couple of grumbles). I am confident they would be easily heading for another term if it was not for these two things.

Edited March 16, 2010 by oafc0000

[leeslover]

I can only comment upon my own experiences in the last 10 years... Three visits to Oldham A&E and seen in less than three hours... Five vists to Warrington A&E and never took more than 1 hour to be seen. Now I remember going when I was younger under the torys and it taking well over 7 hours to be seen.

 

What are you saying ? I should be made to wait seven hours ?

 

NHS Budget under the Torys was something like £35 billion. Currently under Labour it is something like £135 billion.

 

2002-03: £65.4bn

2003-04: £72.1bn

2004-05: £79.3bn

2005-06: £87.2bn

2006-07: £95.9bn

2007-08: £105.6bn

 

Mother in law is a staff nurse at Warrington General... Mum, Dad, Brother and Brother in law all working at the NHS in various capacities. One thing the ALL agree on is the only thing you can hang on Labours door is not getting 100% value for money for all the money that has been spent. aka wastage on managers etc. But that money has made a difference.

 

To make claims that the NHS is no better under Labour is to be frank, :censored:ing absurd and grounded in zero reality.

At long last, that objectivity the NHS debate has been lacking!

 

Most of the increased spending has gone just the same way as it would do if you double the budget of all 3rd division clubs, straight through to the wage bill. And you wouldn't see better football at the end of it. Go figure. I'm all for things like training and paying nurses for taking over the tasks doctors do in their sleep (signing prescriptions and taking certain clinical decisions etc) but in my simple world this should save money, no? ie you pay a higher grade to a nurse so you need less doctor time which is vastly more expensive. It doesn't seem to work out that way.

[oafc0000]

At long last, that objectivity the NHS debate has been lacking!

 

I am sure they are entitled to there opinions...

 

Most of the increased spending has gone just the same way as it would do if you double the budget of all 3rd division clubs, straight through to the wage bill.

 

And a good thing it is... Paying people a decent wage is the right thing to do. The pay within the NHS pre 97 was shocking.

 

The increase in services, increase in costs of drugs (there has been staggering increases) & equipment, rebuilding & updating of a many hospitals all factors as well.

 

And you wouldn't see better football at the end of it. Go figure. I'm all for things like training and paying nurses for taking over the tasks doctors do in their sleep (signing prescriptions and taking certain clinical decisions etc) but in my simple world this should save money, no? ie you pay a higher grade to a nurse so you need less doctor time which is vastly more expensive. It doesn't seem to work out that way.

 

It is a little simplistic to expect this to just automatically save money.