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I'm all for a police force that actually has some force. Shout and ball in a riot police mans face and your going down. Seems fair to me.

 

Power and force should always be balanced with discipline and control...

 

The right wing approach and shift in the country is scary... Basic civil liberties are just being thrown away...

 

The push and back hand slap ok... The strike with the baton was WAY WAY over the top...

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Plenty of discipline and control. I can imagine that he was given his instructions before deployment on that day, and I've no doubt that he would have carried them out to the letter - also he controlled that baton well enough not to silence her for life. Impressive.

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If I was protesting and had been pushed back by police and told to back off, then pushed a copper back and got a slap, and then gone back towards him again calling him 'scum', then I'd expect a smash across the thigh.

 

When I was growing up I was told to respect policemen. The woman's an idiot.

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If I was protesting and had been pushed back by police and told to back off, then pushed a copper back and got a slap, and then gone back towards him again calling him 'scum', then I'd expect a smash across the thigh.

 

When I was growing up I was told to respect policemen. The woman's an idiot.

i hope that women learnt her lesson to keep her mouth shut next time

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Bloody right wing fascists :wink:

 

Seriously though any force has to be in proportion surely ? Or we going to give the police license to slap around people...

 

I am not a fan of a lot of these protestors but it worries me the right to protest is being dissolved and being met more and more disproportionally by the authorities.. Mainly behind the mask of anti terror laws. Worry one day we wake up in a true police state. Even the right to trial by jury has gone.

 

Its easy to get lax over these thing when you live in a relative democracy but one day we really could wake up with very few freedoms.

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Bloody right wing fascists :wink:

 

Seriously though any force has to be in proportion surely ? Or we going to give the police license to slap around people...

 

I am not a fan of a lot of these protestors but it worries me the right to protest is being dissolved and being met more and more disproportionally by the authorities.. Mainly behind the mask of anti terror laws. Worry one day we wake up in a true police state. Even the right to trial by jury has gone.

 

Its easy to get lax over these thing when you live in a relative democracy but one day we really could wake up with very few freedoms.

 

It's not giving the police license to slap around people. The policeman pushed her back the first time, and she came back at him and pushed him, he then hit her with his hand and again, she came back at him. He then escalated the physical stuff to the next level, hitting her with his baton on her thigh (enough to hurt her, but not breaking bones etc). I'd say he showed the appropriate amount of restraint...how many times does she have to be told to stop before he's allowed to stop her himself?

 

And as HTC said above, the right to protest peacefully hasn't been dissolved. There were hundreds (thousands?) who protested that day and didn't get any rough stuff from the police. The majority of people are sensible and respectful enough to do what the police tell them to do.

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Something I find frustrating in this country is the (due and fair) outpouring of respect and admiration for the military and the almost complete disdain for the police.

 

Given that the American's are so fond of the term "police action" when describing the activities of International forces in Afghanistan and Iraq it seems sadly ironic doesn't it?

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There were hundreds (thousands?) who protested that day and didn't get any rough stuff from the police. The majority of people are sensible and respectful enough to do what the police tell them to do.

 

You might want to look into the events a little more closely before believing that... Kettling and the behaviour of this group of officers has come under serious questioning.

 

Look I have a lot of respect for the police. I come out in support of them 9 / 10. This I am afraid to say was a total overreaction from the copper. All his actions did was rile the crowd further. She was protesting to the copper not attacking him.

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You might want to look into the events a little more closely before believing that... Kettling and the behaviour of this group of officers has come under serious questioning.

 

I didn't say she was the only one who ended up on the wrong side of the rough stuff, what I was saying was that the vast majority of protesters didn't because they weren't conducting themselves like idiots.

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I've waited until I saw the footage before commenting. If the copper was acting within his rights and instructions, he should have said so, rather than lying like a :censored:-arse. He really wasn't scared of that skinny bird. He gave her a back-hander, then hit her, then hit her harder. Why did the :censored:-house lie about thinking she was going to beat him up with an orange carton? I'll tell you why, it's because despite shocking recent law changes the police are still meant to be within the law. A policeman can't tell me what to do if I'm not breaking the law and he can't only act proportionately if I am breaking the law. Some of them don't like it.

 

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I've waited until I saw the footage before commenting. If the copper was acting within his rights and instructions, he should have said so, rather than lying like a :censored:-arse. He really wasn't scared of that skinny bird. He gave her a back-hander, then hit her, then hit her harder. Why did the :censored:-house lie about thinking she was going to beat him up with an orange carton? I'll tell you why, it's because despite shocking recent law changes the police are still meant to be within the law. A policeman can't tell me what to do if I'm not breaking the law and he can't only act proportionately if I am breaking the law. Some of them don't like it.

 

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I didn't say she was the only one who ended up on the wrong side of the rough stuff, what I was saying was that the vast majority of protesters didn't because they weren't conducting themselves like idiots.

 

I actually doubt you can find many protestors involved who got a way with no hassle from the police.

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Power and force should always be balanced with discipline and control...

 

The right wing approach and shift in the country is scary... Basic civil liberties are just being thrown away...

 

The push and back hand slap ok... The strike with the baton was WAY WAY over the top...

 

 

I think you will find it is the left wing atacking civil liberties and not the right. Same as most of the trouble at the EDL static protests (labour have banned marches via fake anti terror laws) has been caused by the so called anti facists demanding that EDL are shut up and their views surpressed. In a democracy you are supposed to have the right to free speach. The lefties in charge have attacked that freedom and used terror laws in all sorts of nasty ways. One day the fools who believe the socialists will realise they are all about control and state dependence

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I think you will find it is the left wing atacking civil liberties and not the right. Same as most of the trouble at the EDL static protests (labour have banned marches via fake anti terror laws) has been caused by the so called anti facists demanding that EDL are shut up and their views surpressed. In a democracy you are supposed to have the right to free speach. The lefties in charge have attacked that freedom and used terror laws in all sorts of nasty ways. One day the fools who believe the socialists will realise they are all about control and state dependence

One day the fools on the left and the fools on the right will realise that they aren't fighting each other over their liberties. The laws on terrorism have been used more against tree-huggers and people protesting against the right to sell guns, torture equipment etc than anything else. I support the right of EDL and other groups to protest as much as anyone else, I really struggle to see how they have been given a rough ride frankly. They are clever and organised enough to hold in check to appear as the victims it seems to me, so rarely get involved with serious police action.

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Care to back that up with any evidence, or is it just your conjecture?

 

Its from talking on various forums (take a look yourself), widely published newspaper reports and actual review / evidence the independent police complaints have been dealing with.

 

Care to back up that there was thousands unaffected ? or is that just conjecture ?

 

On the day all protesters where funnelled into groups so the police could control them. If you was protesting you was kettled. Its a fact.

 

I also speak from the prospective of someone who has been to fair few protests over the years. Although admittedly not much since my uni days.

 

You know, we could argue this all day long, or we could just let the videos speak for themselves.

 

 

THe vast majority of the police are good people. A certain section need questioning.

 

 

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Care to back that up with any evidence, or is it just your conjecture?

The report on (admittedly not entirely to my curiously polar political tastes) C4 news reported that 55 of 60-something people were charged with the most serious form of public disorder available. The one with access to a posh lawyer was on there showing the footage his brief had had the time to look through, which showed him not breaking any lawys, but having his head cracked in by shields as they went past and being given a firm :censored: over the head with a baton as a copper went by. This blokes defence were barred from sharing the tape with any other defendants, for some reason that I suppose is in the interests of justice in some way that I can't quite fathom. Given that this guy was looking at a possible 5-stretch unless he had had this lawyer, I think it is fair to say that a number of miscarriages of justice went on.

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So we should all just submit to our masters whims ?

 

The lesson is, when the police ask you to co-operate, you co-operate. They deal with enough crap for some small irrelevant woman to start screaming at them in such a volatile situation like a protest where most of the abuse is aimed at the officers just trying to keep the peace. We acknowledge that the police do a difficult job, we acknowledge that sometimes they have to use force in order to enforce the law, we as the public give the police a level of authority to make those calls and now because one woman got a bang on the leg some people are up in arms about the police officer's choice to use his baton, despite him previously warning the woman (twice from what we can see on the video, it could have been more). You can't have it both ways, the police officer made the call here to use his baton, we were not there in that situation, we were not the focal point of all that abuse, who are we to judge whether the police officer's decision to use his weapon was right or wrong, unless you were him or another officer being mobbed by 100s of people hurling abuse and the sort, then you can't. It's easy watching a video, a bit different when you're in the middle of it.

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