razza699 Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 A video that echoes my views on this beautifully: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 This is what my drawing of mohammed looks like for those who were curious: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hometownclub Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 This is what my drawing of mohammed looks like for those who were curious: I'm no artist (much like yourself) but I'll have a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 I prefer the Skepchick version: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 I prefer the Skepchick version: That works for me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 That works for me too For the record, in case you do follow the more right-wing stance within this argument, she's also very much opposed to the racial/immigration undertones of the debate (especially as she's an American living in the UK). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Does anyone else think its slightly ironic that this campaign is being backed by You Tube who suck at the teet of broadcasters and pull mobile phone footage of football games amongst other things? Nevermind all those newspapers etc who use "freedom of speech" as a counter argument to libel laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 For the record, in case you do follow the more right-wing stance within this argument, she's also very much opposed to the racial/immigration undertones of the debate (especially as she's an American living in the UK). I don't. I don't think I have said anything that could indicate I do either (in spite of oafc0000's constant strawman arguments). This has got NOTHING to do with race. It doesn't really have anything to do with religion either. I would be just as annoyed if it was a politically motivated group or individuals threatening violence over cartoons. For the record I'm a libertarian (ie social liberal) and slightly right wing (right wing refers to economic policy), not a fascist right winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 I don't. I don't think I have said anything that could indicate I do either (in spite of oafc0000's constant strawman arguments). This has got NOTHING to do with race. It doesn't really have anything to do with religion either. I would be just as annoyed if it was a politically motivated group or individuals threatening violence over cartoons. For the record I'm a libertarian (ie social liberal) and slightly right wing (right wing refers to economic policy), not a fascist right winger. I never mentioned race... I just pointed out how childish your stance was... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 I never mentioned race... I just pointed out how childish your stance was... Unsuccesfully. You just chose not to take my word for it that this is about free speech and nothing else. Free speech is a principle that I hold very dear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scratch2000uk Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 All religeons are bollocks, nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Unsuccesfully. You just chose not to take my word for it that this is about free speech and nothing else. Free speech is a principle that I hold very dear. Sure yeah right. Glad you set my mind at rest there. I was labouring under the opinion that it was actually all about your right to provoke and insult whom you choose for whatever reason you choose when you choose. It's heartening that its just pure coincidence that you're choosing a religion whose adherents generally have a darker skin tone than your anglo-saxon standard. I suggest you put your crayons down (not before teacher says you can, mind), follow your principles to their obvious conclusion, and join the racially pure Lib Dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 Sure yeah right. Glad you set my mind at rest there. I was labouring under the opinion that it was actually all about your right to provoke and insult whom you choose for whatever reason you choose when you choose. That IS what free speech is about. Offence is taken not given. And it is entirely subjective. Nothing is above criticism or ridicule. I have the right to say what I want and you have the right to ignore or aviod it. It's heartening that its just pure coincidence that you're choosing a religion whose adherents generally have a darker skin tone than your anglo-saxon standard. I suggest you put your crayons down (not before teacher says you can, mind), follow your principles to their obvious conclusion, and join the racially pure Lib Dems. Pathetic! Such an ignorant and intellectually dishonest statement. Go ahead and label me a racist even though I have said nothing to indicate that I am. People like you make me sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 That IS what free speech is about. Offence is taken not given. And it is entirely subjective. Nothing is above criticism or ridicule. I have the right to say what I want and you have the right to ignore or aviod it. Pathetic! Such an ignorant and intellectually dishonest statement. Go ahead and label me a racist even though I have said nothing to indicate that I am. People like you make me sick. Christ. I only said you should join the Lib Dems. Such a strong reaction! I'm sure non-racists everywhere will be expressing their deeply held principles by having a pop at Muslims today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 I'm sure non-racists everywhere will be expressing their deeply held principles by having a pop at Muslims today. I'm not sure you are being racist if you have a pop at Muslims- Muslim is not a race its a religion and quite a few Muslims are Caucasian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 I'm not sure you are being racist if you have a pop at Muslims- Muslim is not a race its a religion and quite a few Muslims are Caucasian. That's all fine and dandy then. When do we get off the subject of insulting Muslims and get on to the vexed and interesting question of your mum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Christ. I only said you should join the Lib Dems. Such a strong reaction! We're used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 We're used to it. I haven't even started on your mum yet. You wait your turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 I'm not sure you are being racist if you have a pop at Muslims- Muslim is not a race its a religion and quite a few Muslims are Caucasian. I think you should tell that to the OP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudemedic Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 That's all fine and dandy then. When do we get off the subject of insulting Muslims and get on to the vexed and interesting question of your mum? WOW- going to Mum jokes are we? How old are you- 15? I'm not going to argue with you on the original topic (as frankly I don't care- I can see both points of the argument). I find it hypocritical for You Tube to be joining in with a freedom of speech argument when they are probably one of the biggest censors around. I'd also like to see how many people would join in if it was Jesus or the Christian God being satirised on TV and then they had a draw Jesus day. Freedom of speech goes both ways but that doesn't mean its right for people to make serious threats against those who satire Mohammed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 "No-one has the right to censor criticism" - Rebecca Watson. I'll be doing a MS Paint one in a moment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilStarbucksSilkySkills Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 I think you should tell that to the OP Are you kidding me?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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