Matt Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Why should I care about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
help_shiny Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 UKIP are a fascist organisation now? I must have missed that newsflash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 You do what you want, flower. I don't really care so long as you vote Labour in your council elections, now you know that your general election vote for the Liberals was a bit silly. Got Cameron in without directly nailing my blue colours to the mast. Genius, nowt silly about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24hoursfromtulsehill Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Why should I care about this? Eggsackerley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 If this is a gag... ha! If this is a gag with some truth to it you need AV now!! Tangent, I know, but yes and no. There still aren't any more than proof-of-concept Mac viruses (as far as I know). Some exploits for software flaws, but that's not the same thing. I do run AV, but it seems a bit pointless. Firewall, run as a limited user (not an administrator), don't visit naughty sites - should be sufficient most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 5, 2011 Share Posted April 5, 2011 Tangent, I know, but yes and no. There still aren't any more than proof-of-concept Mac viruses (as far as I know). Some exploits for software flaws, but that's not the same thing. I do run AV, but it seems a bit pointless. Firewall, run as a limited user (not an administrator), don't visit naughty sites - should be sufficient most of the time. Can't be arsed with AV on my Mac for similar reasons... I will just rebuild it from Time Machine if it all goes tits up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 As recently as the 28th of Feb (to my knowledge, there may be more) there was new Malware discovered on a Mac. They're immeasurably better than PC's - this goes without saying. But they're only as secure as you make them and if you're using the internets without an AV and a Firewall then you're asking for trouble no matter which platform you're working from! Edit. Malicious files that use the the scripting capability of Microsoft Media Player to infect Windows machines have emerged as the main threat detected on the machines of Apple users who have taken advantage of Sophos' recent offer of a freebie anti-malware scanner application. Can't be arsed with AV on my Mac for similar reasons... I will just rebuild it from Time Machine if it all goes tits up... This is no good if you've been backing up the Malware!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 This is no good if you've been backing up the Malware!! not arsed to be honest... Im just not arsed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 not arsed to be honest... Im just not arsed Two responses to this... 1. Fair enough, it's your decision not to protect yourself from fraud and the like. 2. The Internet is a community and you have a responsibility to be a contributing member of it. By not protecting your machine you not only put the data of those using it at risk but also anyone whose email address you hold, whose website you visit and so forth. There's a bigger picture. Also there are things out there which can't be recovered from (PC wise) if the vicious :censored:s decide to kill you machine. I'm not aware of these on a Mac as it stands. However giving them unrestricted access to your machine isn't going to help Apple keep their position as reasonably untouchable. Just advice, take and leave what you want from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 I don't agree with the "not arsed" approach, but the UNIX roots make a difference. If you don't run as an admin, aren't running Windows on a partition, and use a firewall, that's not bad protection. I do run ClamXAV, but it's found nothing in about three years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 (edited) 1. Fair enough, it's your decision not to protect yourself from fraud and the like. I had three emails this week from various companies (Play, Marks and Spencers and GoGrid) about how they have been passing my personal details (including payment card information) around like a whore in a crack house. Trust me, with the amount of data out there via these reputable companies the last place fraud is going to happen is my computer... mmmkay.... 2. The Internet is a community and you have a responsibility to be a contributing member of it. No I dont... Make me Look... It is a fact that the chances of getting malware etc is greatly reduced by using a Mac. As much as I hate this over priced piece of junk that remains a fact. Another fact is that if you don't visit :censored:ty dodgy websites and you don't open dodgy emails then your chances of getting anything nasty is even further reduced. My windows PC has AV protection (mainly because its my main work PC and my clients demand I have AV installed) and my mac has naff all. How many times have I been done for fraud ?? Once, in 1998, someone did £999 (in three £333 transactions) on a betting site. The money was refunded in a mater of hours. Sorry, unless you want to go throwing your computer at dodgy websites you really don't need it.... (hence most people need it ) My hardware firewall keeps naughty people out Edited April 6, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 I don't agree with the "not arsed" approach, but the UNIX roots make a difference. If you don't run as an admin, aren't running Windows on a partition, and use a firewall, that's not bad protection. I do run ClamXAV, but it's found nothing in about three years. Basic protection. It's enough if you're careful. I had three emails this week from various companies (Play, Marks and Spencers and GoGrid) about how they have been passing my personal details (including payment card information) around like a whore in a crack house. Trust me, with the amount of data out there via these reputable companies the last place fraud is going to happen is my computer... mmmkay.... Indeed! No I dont... Make me Not very Christian of you! Look... It is a fact that the chances of getting malware etc is greatly reduced by using a Mac. As much as I hate this over priced piece of junk that remains a fact. Another fact is that if you don't visit :censored:ty dodgy websites and you don't open dodgy emails then your chances of getting anything nasty is even further reduced. My windows PC has AV protection (mainly because its my main work PC and my clients demand I have AV installed) and my mac has naff all. How many times have I been done for fraud ?? Once, in 1998, someone did £999 (in three £333 transactions) on a betting site. The money was refunded in a mater of hours. Sorry, unless you want to go throwing your computer at dodgy websites you really don't need it.... (hence most people need it ) My hardware firewall keeps naughty people out I guess I see it as unnecessary risk, which working in the role I do I do all I can to avoid as I see the damage it can do. That's your call though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 (edited) Basic protection. It's enough if you're careful. Indeed! Not very Christian of you! I guess I see it as unnecessary risk, which working in the role I do I do all I can to avoid as I see the damage it can do. That's your call though. You have to also appreciate the role I work in as well is not a none technical role I ain't the problem... Its the silly bat at number 32 who just accepted the "free" virus scan from a pop window Edited April 6, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Basic protection. It's enough if you're careful. I know, I work in IT security... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 I know, I work in IT security... *likes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 *likes Guy who works in IT Security has AV and you don't... jussayin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Anyway, voting systems... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Guy who works in IT Security has AV and you don't... jussayin I bet you buy mobile phone insurance don't you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Anyway, voting systems... No one cares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 I bet you buy mobile phone insurance don't you After losing my iPhone I do... if you can suggest another way of ensuring I get the £400 for it which doesn't involve me paying for insurance I am more than happy to listen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 (edited) After losing my iPhone I do... if you can suggest another way of ensuring I get the £400 for it which doesn't involve me paying for insurance I am more than happy to listen Don't lose it AV and Insurance was made for people like you To presume everyone is as careless as you is a failing in your logic Edited April 6, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Don't lose it AV and Insurance was made for people like you To presume everyone is as careless as you is a failing in your logic And to presume that your vigilance is enough is as equally flawed. Someone may mug me of my phone, equally someone might attack your computer. I'd be astounded and concerned to learn that you have no insurance of any kind. Especially as you're legally obliged to have car insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Are you in work today, oafc0000? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Are you in work today, oafc0000? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 And to presume that your vigilance is enough is as equally flawed. Someone may mug me of my phone, equally someone might attack your computer. I'd be astounded and concerned to learn that you have no insurance of any kind. Especially as you're legally obliged to have car insurance. Company Car I have house insurance.. and health insurance through the company... Travel insurance as well... Very different insurance's than phone insurance :P I have never lost a phone... Got my first mobile in 1996... So thats 15 years I am up on paying some rip off company £7 or so a month. If I change the habit of a lifetime and lose a phone then I will still be up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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