brightspark Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Cyrus Mehri, the US civil rights lawyer and man behind the pioneering Rooney Rule, tells BBC Sport's Leon Mann how the initiative has revolutionised the National Football League (NFL) and explains why he Is confident the English footballing authorities will adopt it. The Rooney Rule (named after Pittsburgh Steelers owner Dan Rooney) requires all teams to include at least one black or ethnic minority candidate in interviews for senior management posts. i personaly think if you aint good enuff you aint in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) There's nothing positive about positive discrimination. Empower people, don't mollycoddle them. Edited September 10, 2011 by HarryBosch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ritchie Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 If I'm trapped in a burning building I want the best man or woman to save me, regardless of colour or creed. Positive discrimination doesn't work in anyone's favour. If you aren't up to the job you will get found out pretty quickly. Guardiola manages the best team in the world, playing the best football, last time I looked he was black or at least mixed race for the pedants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Guardiola manages the best team in the world, playing the best football, last time I looked he was black or at least mixed race for the pedants. eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Guardiola - last time I looked he was black or at least mixed race for the pedants. lolwhut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 If I'm trapped in a burning building I want the best man or woman to save me, regardless of colour or creed. Positive discrimination doesn't work in anyone's favour. If you aren't up to the job you will get found out pretty quickly. Guardiola manages the best team in the world, playing the best football, last time I looked he was black or at least mixed race for the pedants. thats how i see it god dam yanks tryin to say how we run football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 If I'm trapped in a burning building I want the best man or woman to save me, regardless of colour or creed. Positive discrimination doesn't work in anyone's favour. If you aren't up to the job you will get found out pretty quickly. Guardiola manages the best team in the world, playing the best football, last time I looked he was black or at least mixed race for the pedants. You sure you weren't looking at someone else?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 If I'm trapped in a burning building I want the best man or woman to save me, regardless of colour or creed. Positive discrimination doesn't work in anyone's favour. If you aren't up to the job you will get found out pretty quickly. Guardiola manages the best team in the world, playing the best football, last time I looked he was black or at least mixed race for the pedants. Full name Josep Guardiola i Sala Date of birth 18 January 1971 (1971-01-18) (age 40) Place of birth Santpedor, Spain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Will never happen. At the end of the day racism works both ways. And any rule that suggests someone should get an interview solely on the basis of their skin colour in my opinion, is racist. Pure and simple. And has this :censored:ing plank Cyrus Mehri, or whoever he is, realise the :censored:ing irony in what he's saying (if he is American I am guessing he wont given that the yanks don't exactly get irony)? Lets try and get browinie point from the 'blacks and ethnic minorities' by implying that they are incapable of getting an interview off their own merits? Does he really think someone like Paul Ince, Chris Powell etc would want an interview if deep down, they knew it was just the 'token ethnic minority, only interviewing you because we have to but you aint getting the job' interview? Somehow, I think they have more pride than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ritchie Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Please note my tongue was firmly in my cheek with the Guardiola being black line. I was due to be following it up with the immortal 'well they all look the same' but the reaction was a bit stronger than I expected. Now where did I put that wink? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeslover Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 But we dont want the Irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonesyOAFC Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) It's nonsense. If anything it's going to damage certain black managers confidence, as they'll be aware there's a possibility the only reason they're getting interviewed is due to this rule, and not their ability. Racism has pretty much been eradicated from the english game, and 99.9% of supporters won't care about the colour, creed or nationality of their manager s'long as he gets results. It might be positive racism, but it's still racism. Edited September 9, 2011 by JonesyOAFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Will never happen. Indeed. Thank God I don't have to compete with any positive (or negative in my case) discrimination in the workplace due to the laws of the land. Oh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJazzer Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) Ridiculous. We've had similar problems in the fire service. They dropped standards of strength on recruit days so more women could get through, then complained because they couldn't carry their share of the big ladder. It's 100kg. 30kg on two corners and 20kg on other 2. A lot of it is due to government ruling saying x% of workplace needs to be female black ethnic etc. So another black recruit gets through test, interview and recruits course despite not being able to read or write only to be sacked for not being up to the job 12 months later. Now I'm all for equal ops, and I can even understand a situation where ethnic or female recruits get the nod over White males as long as they're all of the same standard, but to drop standards to get them in? It's not just stupid, it's irresponsible and dangerous. I've been in situations in fires knowing that if things go tits up I'm dead because the woman I'm in with isn't strong enough to pull me out, and that's just plain wrong. Edited September 10, 2011 by BlueJazzer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldhamSheridan Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I hear you man. Our dolly bird won't put the paper in the printer due to her PMT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) Ridiculous. We've had similar problems in the fire service. They dropped standards of strength on recruit days so more women could get through, then complained because they couldn't carry their share of the big ladder. It's 100kg. 30kg on two corners and 20kg on other 2. A lot of it is due to government ruling saying x% of workplace needs to be female black ethnic etc. So another black recruit gets through test, interview and recruits course despite not being able to read or write only to be sacked for not being up to the job 12 months later. Now I'm all for equal ops, and I can even understand a situation where ethnic or female recruits get the nod over White males as long as they're all of the same standard, but to drop standards to get them in? It's not just stupid, it's irresponsible and dangerous. I've been in situations in fires knowing that if things go tits up I'm dead because the woman I'm in with isn't strong enough to pull me out, and that's just plain wrong. Its like the classic case of the job centre not letting a compant put that they want someone 'hard working' in their job description, as that discriminates against those who don't work hard. Whats next, are they going to stop schools advertising that teachers must be qualified because it discriminates against those who aren't qualified? Edited September 10, 2011 by Lookers_Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 :censored: me this thread's full of ignorance and tabloid fuelled horse :censored:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 :censored: me this thread's full of ignorance and tabloid fuelled horse :censored:. Amen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delfer Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 :censored: me this thread's full of ignorance and tabloid fuelled horse :censored:. Agreed - for an informed view people should chat to Ollie Holt from the Mirror on twitter, he's on a mission with this. If the different views are articulated properly he will debate all day, but he's had to put up wuth lots of abuse just for raising the issue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJazzer Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Mines not horse:censored:? It's a reality that I have to deal with everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Mines not horse:censored:? It's a reality that I have to deal with everyday. You use the word 'ethnic' like the Daily Mail though! You're ethnic - we all are! No one is without ethnicity!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBosch Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 multicultural Britain is a far greater success than multicultural USA and therein lies the difference & the reason we don't need/want discrimination here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueJazzer Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Now ur just being pedantic. You know damn well what I mean. The fire service is seen as a White male dominated service and that doesn't sit well with the government. So when I say ethnic I mean ethnic minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Now ur just being pedantic. You know damn well what I mean. The fire service is seen as a White male dominated service and that doesn't sit well with the government. So when I say ethnic I mean ethnic minority. It's nothing personal - just a massive bugbare of mine! I don't have a problem with insentives to diversify a population. It's a long term positive. However you rightly point out that this should not putting ability to do the job as a secondary factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delfer Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 It's nothing personal - just a massive bugbare of mine! I don't have a problem with insentives to diversify a population. It's a long term positive. However you rightly point out that this should not putting ability to do the job as a secondary factor. I think you mean bugbear Ackey Sorry it's just my bete noir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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