Ackey Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 ... [Premier League] clubs earning, on average, £4.3m for each game shown live on television. Can't compete with that :censored:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie_J Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Can't compete with that :censored:. And Fergie says it's not enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego_Sideburns Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Can't compete with that :censored: Can't survive without the stayaway 'supporters' who subscribe to that :censored:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 Can't survive without the stayaway 'supporters' who subscribe to that :censored:. Every thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackey Posted September 26, 2011 Author Share Posted September 26, 2011 Every thread? To elaborate (quick maths, feel free to correct me): £4,300,000 x 9 Games before end of November = £38,700,000 / £23 / 23 games = 73,157 people per game for Latics to match that 3 month amount over the entire season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 To elaborate (quick maths, feel free to correct me): £4,300,000 x 9 Games before end of November = £38,700,000 / £23 / 23 games = 73,157 people per game for Latics to match that 3 month amount over the entire season. Did you listen to the Craig Johnston interview on Talk:censored:e the other week? Got it absolutely spot on. Why should football be recession/down turn/double dip/or whatever the :censored: they're calling it this week proof? Craig Johnston interview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I don't think Bosman's helped Latics much either. Let's face it, transfer fees in the lower leagues haven't exactly increased in line with inflation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) It always shocks me when you see people at the top of the game who claim to love Football give no thought whatsoever to the plight lower league teams face and traditions and future of the game in this country. And lets be frank... United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Aston Villa, Tottenham et etc fans, players and owners have always had it in their power to govern how the game in this country would live or die. The all choose money over the long term future of having 92 professional clubs. As did we when we was up there. As much as we are rivals with Stockport, Bury and Rochdale. If one of those ever went to the wall I would be genuinely gutted and upset. No one seems to care anymore about this stuff anymore. Even within the lower league clubs to an extent. There are fans of our club who greedily rub their hands at picking off some players from clubs who have gone to :censored: to further are own. What hope is their for the devil spawn operating around the premiership to find their souls ? Edited September 26, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I don't think Bosman's helped Latics much either. European Union and our own goverments have done nothing to help Football... Rub their greedy hands at the massive tax revenue to made from Football without having a soul to maintain its structure.... Good on Germany for bucking the trend to an extent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) Can't survive without the stayaway 'supporters' who subscribe to that :censored:. alas... There has to be a reason other than blind loyalty to come though... The days of Billy growing up in Oldham and supporting Oldham through thick and thin has gone. Ok it might apply to a few but it doesn't apply to most. Its best to accept it, understand it and move on and modernise your thinking on the subject... The game has moved beyond your traditional thinking DS. The horse has bolted... If the game hadn't moved from it's traditional thinking a lot of people would still be going... I was having a discussion with a friend at work why I stopped going after something like 20 years no stop attendance. He said you changed a bit... I pointed out to him, I didn't change, the game did... Edited September 26, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danoafc Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 And Fergie says it's not enough. The man is a clearly a great manager - perhaps the best of all time, but he's also a deluded cock, who thinks the FA have got a secret vendetta against his bunch of overpaid tarts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Did you listen to the Craig Johnston interview on Talk:censored:e the other week? Got it absolutely spot on. Why should football be recession/down turn/double dip/or whatever the :censored: they're calling it this week proof? Craig Johnston interview I listened to it, although I think Keys was absolutely right to pull him up about having a pop at the lower divisions, and confining his points to the PL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Can't survive without the stayaway 'supporters' who subscribe to that :censored:. bollocks , I subscribe to Sky Sport , that doesnt stop me going to Latics I cant see how being a sky sports subscriber could stop someone going to Latics , its not like we are on TV alot is it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) Did you listen to the Craig Johnston interview on Talk:censored:e the other week? Got it absolutely spot on. Why should football be recession/down turn/double dip/or whatever the :censored: they're calling it this week proof? Craig Johnston interview What a great interview!! Such a moving story!!! Thank you for posting this ! How anyone has given you a negative rating for this is beyond me... Bang on about player wages, short term view of football, money should be spent on ENGLISH talent... etc... You only have to listen to the come backs from the two tits interviewing him though to know he will be largely ignored... Edited September 26, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsleftfoot Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) bollocks , I subscribe to Sky Sport , that doesnt stop me going to Latics If it doesn't stop you, then your excepted. But of course going from the pre 91 era of no TV matches hardly to a match a day, plus several each on Sat and Sun has an effect on some. Where you had to travel to a match before, you can get more of your footie fix staying at home or with pint in hand at a pub... and its more than cheap, when comparing it to going to see the local team. Not to mention that those subscriptions go on to subsidising Bolton signing Sweetleftfootovic or Blackburns ticket prices. Therefore making them more attractive. Edited September 26, 2011 by jimsleftfoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) I listened to it, although I think Keys was absolutely right to pull him up about having a pop at the lower divisions, and confining his points to the PL No Carl he was right, how the :censored: can clubs in this league justify wage bills of between £6-10million then plead poverty a couple of years later? Sheff U and Charlton are going to be in deep :censored: some time soon, especially if they go for it again next year as they simply do not have the income to be spending that sort of money. He's right lower league footballers need to gain a sense of perspective and sooner or later the over paid prima donnas in the Premier League will have to face a harsh truth. There was a bonanza in Italy for about 15 years, how did that turn out? Best thing that could happen is another global crash to hit Prem Club's interests. Sadly the two that have wealth beyond realisation will not be affected as they have owners whose wealth has been built up from natural resources but even City are planning for a sustainable future (spending about a billion to do it though) and Abramavich has tightened the purse strings (Torres apart) considerably. Edited September 26, 2011 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 alas... There has to be a reason other than blind loyalty to come though... The days of Billy growing up in Oldham and supporting Oldham through thick and thin has gone. Ok it might apply to a few but it doesn't apply to most. Its best to accept it, understand it and move on and modernise your thinking on the subject... The game has moved beyond your traditional thinking DS. The horse has bolted... If the game hadn't moved from it's traditional thinking a lot of people would still be going... I was having a discussion with a friend at work why I stopped going after something like 20 years no stop attendance. He said you changed a bit... I pointed out to him, I didn't change, the game did... Seen this post when I was half way through replying to Diego's and I think you hit the nail on the head. Blind loyalty no longer cuts it. I was going to say 'what about the stayaways who dont subscribe to that :censored:'? Not all stayaways have replaced going to Boundary Park with an afternoon in front of Sky Sports News. I started going in 1994-1995, had a season ticket from 1995-2011, and up until around the time of Shez's sacking rarely missed a home game. Missed a fair few games under Penney and made the decision to give it one more go when Dickov was appointed, but two games in just thought enough is enough, and a £300 season ticket effectively went to waste. Considered going to the Stevenage game but changed my mind. Like oafc0000 said another reason is needed other than blind loyalty to go. Both reasons that I had to go (which were that I enjoyed going, and that I believed, perhaps somewhat naively, that there was the will to move forward and reestablish the club in the 2nd tier of English Football) have long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) if it doesn't stop you, then your excepted. But of course going from the pre 91 era of no TV matches hardly to a match a day, plus several each on Sat and Sun has an effect on some. Where you had to travel to a match before, you can get more of your footie fix staying at home or with pint in hand at a pub... and its more than cheap, when comparing it to going to see the local team. Not to mention that those subscriptions go on to subsidising Bolton signing Sweetleftfootovic or Blackburns ticket prices. Therefore making them more attractive. Sky Sports has been amazing for Football and Football Fans... This issue has noting to do with Sky Sports really... The issue is about how Football uses the massive amount of money raised from selling the TV rights. To blame anything on Sky or people who subscribe to it is really missing the point. The amount of games on Sky is going to impact on foot fall through the turnstile but this can easily be balanced off by the amount given to clubs. The fact is if you are not in the Prem you get next to nothing and that is a major issue. Even in the Prem there is double standards when United are getting £4 million every tine they are on TV which is lot... and Wigan are hardly ever on and getting much less... Edited September 26, 2011 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrro Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 How anyone has given you a negative rating for this is beyond me... Click the number. I bet it was for the word ':censored:'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) Seen this post when I was half way through replying to Diego's and I think you hit the nail on the head. Blind loyalty no longer cuts it. I was going to say 'what about the stayaways who dont subscribe to that :censored:'? Not all stayaways have replaced going to Boundary Park with an afternoon in front of Sky Sports News. I started going in 1994-1995, had a season ticket from 1995-2011, and up until around the time of Shez's sacking rarely missed a home game. Missed a fair few games under Penney and made the decision to give it one more go when Dickov was appointed, but two games in just thought enough is enough, and a £300 season ticket effectively went to waste. Considered going to the Stevenage game but changed my mind. Like oafc0000 said another reason is needed other than blind loyalty to go. Both reasons that I had to go (which were that I enjoyed going, and that I believed, perhaps somewhat naively, that there was the will to move forward and reestablish the club in the 2nd tier of English Football) have long gone. There's plenty of Latics fans and well-wishers in this town, but times move on and so do priorities. When they went to games it was cheap to get in, now cheap is £15 and that is simply too much for a townsfolk that are on their arse. £15 to watch 3rd division football or 7-8 pints in a bar watching a couple of matches with a few of your mates? It's a no-brainer,Tbh I don't blame them, those that can afford it and simply can't be arsed well tbh I don't blame them either, we've won 19 home games in just under 3 years (going back to October 2008), I don't blame people for not going. I go out of habit, simple as that…but I have drastically cut back on away games, I simply can't justify the cost and blind loyalty when you have a family, mortgage and bills to pay is an unnecessary luxury.. Edited September 26, 2011 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Click the number. I bet it was for the word ':censored:'. Oh right... Do you get marked down for swearing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) Sky Sports has been amazing for Football and Football Fans... This issue has noting to do with Sky Sports really... The issue is about how Football uses the massive amount of money raised from selling the TV rights. To blame anything on Sky or people who subscribe to it is really missing the point. The amount of games on Sky is going to impact on foot fall through the turnstile but this can easily be balanced off by the amount given to clubs. The fact is if you are not in the Prem you get next to nothing and that is a major issue. Even in the Prem there is double standards when United are getting £4 million every tine they are on TV which is lot... and Wigan are hardly ever on and getting much less... The only issue I have with Sky is overkill, I used to look forward immensely to their matches now I simply have it on in the background. Football used to be treat when I was a kid, now it's everywhere, websites, forums like this, front and back pages of all newspapers, 24 hour news channels devoted to the sport, live matches, highlights, previews, reviews…it's never-ending……..oh and Gary 'Rat-Boy' Neville…..there's simply too much football on tv - there should be a cap on televised games to try and encourage people to get out there. We've got MNF, Chumps League, Losers (Europa) League, FL on Friday Night, Lunch Time Prem, FL Tea Time on Sky or MOTD, Prem on ESPN Satdy Tea Time, Scottish Subbuteo League thrown in then Super Duper Sunday, Spanish League on after that and of course throw in Dutch and German Football and if you have Premier Sports like me for the NRL you get Conference and South American Football, THEN add in MOTD, The FL Show and Channel 5's highlights packages from around the world. Cost of going to a game is only a very small reason, people simply have what they what, when they want at their finger-tips, attending a live match at a ground is an inconvenience when you can make the goggle box coverage revolve around you! I yearn for the innocence of spending many a winter's evening listening to live commentary on five live or GMR, then highlights later if I was lucky, now it's crazy and even I as a football fanatic can see it…. Edited September 26, 2011 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 Oh right... Do you get marked down for swearing ? That's me :censored:ed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lookers_Carl Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 There's plenty of Latics fans in this town, when they went to games it was cheap to get in, now cheap is £15 and that is simply too much for a townsfolk that are on their arse. £15 to watch 3rd division football or 7-8 pints in a bar watching a couple of matches with a few of your mates? It's a no-brainer,Tbh I don't blame them, those that can afford it and simply can't be arsed well tbh I don't blame them either, we've won 19 home games in just under 3 years (going back to October 2008), I don't blame people for not going. I go out of habit, simple as that…but I have drastically cut back on away games, I simply can't justify the cost and blind loyalty when you have a family, mortgage and bills to pay is an unnecessary luxury.. I think in some cases its not just '£15 to watch 3rd division football', rather '£15 to watch 3rd division football in a 3 sided crumbling wreck of a stadium, sometimes in the freezing cold, where im not even guaranteed to be able to buy something to eat and hot drink' If the broadway stand was still up, chances are I would still be going. If we had something along the lines of Chesterfields new stadium, either here or at Failsworth, I would still be coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 (edited) I think in some cases its not just '£15 to watch 3rd division football', rather '£15 to watch 3rd division football in a 3 sided crumbling wreck of a stadium, sometimes in the freezing cold, where im not even guaranteed to be able to buy something to eat and hot drink' If the broadway stand was still up, chances are I would still be going. If we had something along the lines of Chesterfields new stadium, either here or at Failsworth, I would still be coming. Let's be honest Carl, when I first started going in November 1986 the ground was a death trap, crumbling terraces fenced off in both the Chaddy and the RRE, toilets not worthy of the name and shockingly bad retail and concession facilities - yet we regularly got between 5 and 7,000 through the door every other week. Facilities is a red-herring, yes we're a lot softer nowadays and demand some sort of comfort but i'd like to think your dyed in the wool Latic is made of sterner stuff - oh and 'Sheddings was worse and my Rugby team nowadays Saints have just moved out of a crumbling wreck yet it was often packed to the rafters despite the antiquated facilities. We get a winning team out on the meadow (that people can identify with, instead of loanees and 1 year deals - needs must I know) people will come it's as simple as that…of course shiny new facilities and a brew and a pie will help, as will reasonable ticket prices..but winning and being entertained is the be all and end all to the floater... Edited September 26, 2011 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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