palmer1 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) no Furman again so we will more than likley stick with the side that finished against Walsall but.... I think we could be in for a heavy defeat if we dont get a suitbale player in the centre instaed of Taylor im a Taylor fan and have defended him on here many times, he can play in a number of attacking positions but central midfied is not one of them imo. he doesnt know where to stand, when to run when to stay and he cant tackle.He will work his sack off but 9 times out of 10 stand off the man in possession instead of putting his foot in when Taylor has played in the centre midfield position the game seems to pass him by like at Hudds last season.We cant have passengers we have no Wes and no Dean but Winchester may be a better option? unless we plan to get a body in on loan before weekend which is doubtful I also think Winchester is very lightweight but he will put his foot in a little more and take up better positions when we dont have the ball, same goes for mellor maybe? They will keep the ball alot on saturday, they seem a decent side and we will have to do alot of running and tracking and if we dont get it right we may get over run. do we have any other options or will Taylor be ok? unless Furman is back and the story on the official site is a ploy,he is in the sqaud every week but doesnt make it as he is injured and we are told nothing we are then told he is injured and wont make it, maybe he is now fit and ready to return mmmmmmm Edited February 16, 2012 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I propose a 4-1-5 formation with a good hoof the other way if the ball ever reaches our half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 do we have any other options or will Taylor be ok? unless Furman is back and the story on the official site is a ploy,he is in the sqaud every week but doesnt make it as he is injured and we are told nothing we are then told he is injured and wont make it, maybe he is now fit and ready to return mmmmmmm Winchester, good engine, up and down and tenacious. Good on the ball too, no brainer for me but Dickov for me is determined to play square pegs in round holes and given how KMB and Morais played the other night in terms of getting crosses in and end product, if he's not in midfield then where would Chris Taylor play? For some reason the lad is beyond subbing never mind dropping and you can't run a football team like that. Team, for Dongs Cisak Lee Tarky JYM Black KMB Adeyemi Winchester Morais Simpson Kuqi But we know that Dickov will persist with Taylor in the middle, and a right royal dicking will ensue…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shefflatic Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Winchester, good engine, up and down and tenacious. Good on the ball too, no brainer for me but Dickov for me is determined to play square pegs in round holes and given how KMB and Morais played the other night in terms of getting crosses in and end product, if he's not in midfield then where would Chris Taylor play? For some reason the lad is beyond subbing never mind dropping and you can't run a football team like that. Team, for Dongs Cisak Lee Tarky JYM Black KMB Adeyemi Winchester Morais Simpson Kuqi But we know that Dickov will persist with Taylor in the middle, and a right royal dicking will ensue…. Mellor for me but yes i agree 100% - Taylor has been :censored:e all season; yes he does always try but then that is to be expected of anyone in any role in life that they put the committment in. He needs to leave the club for all concerned IMO, has become way too casual and stagnant in his performances and there is no reasonable explanation as to why he has never (since he has been in the first team) ever been dropped aside from if he is injured or suspended. PD has joined the bandwaggon of his predecessors and has taken the view that he can't be seen to drop him because he is in oldham lad/fan and the fans wouldn't like it. Not even the staunchiest supporter of CT can say he has played well at any point this last 12-18 months (as to the levels he showed under shez when he was at his peak). KMB and FP DO NOT deserve to be dropped - FM scored and KMB was our best player for me, effort all night and an attacking threat in the first minute to highlight just how ineffective taylor is when on the wing - KMB one touch inside and a cross - notice how we had 4 or 5 in the box as soon as he got the ball as they knew his aim was to cross it and not faff about cutting back this way and that like CT; proper wing play. But no doubt PD will come out with some rubbish along the lines of KBM is tired after his first 90mins and we need to look after him. Be a proper manager PD and drop CT. Edited February 16, 2012 by shefflatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I think Winchester is too inexperienced. I dont think he is quite ready to boss a midfield against a high flying team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmer1 Posted February 16, 2012 Author Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Not even the staunchiest supporter of CT can say he has played well at any point this last 12-18 months (as to the levels he showed under shez when he was at his peak). that is a bit harsh, didnt he finish top scorer last season? and im pretty sure Dickov doesnt give a :censored: who he supports not been great I know but I can say that a some point in the last 18 months he has played well but what is true is that the wingers should keep their place from Tuesday but lets not turn this into another get Taylor out of my club thread please Edited February 16, 2012 by palmer1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsslatic Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Rubbish about Taylor above, but (although I didn't see him on Tuesday), I'd be wary of playing him in CM against such a good footballing side. Mellor had a lot of joy against them at BP (albeit from full back) - stick him in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafcprozac Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Mellor for me but yes i agree 100% - Taylor has been :censored:e all season; yes he does always try but then that is to be expected of anyone in any role in life that they put the committment in. He needs to leave the club for all concerned IMO, has become way too casual and stagnant in his performances and there is no reasonable explanation as to why he has never (since he has been in the first team) ever been dropped aside from if he is injured or suspended. PD has joined the bandwaggon of his predecessors and has taken the view that he can't be seen to drop him because he is in oldham lad/fan and the fans wouldn't like it. Not even the staunchiest supporter of CT can say he has played well at any point this last 12-18 months (as to the levels he showed under shez when he was at his peak). KMB and FP DO NOT deserve to be dropped - FM scored and KMB was our best player for me, effort all night and an attacking threat in the first minute to highlight just how ineffective taylor is when on the wing - KMB one touch inside and a cross - notice how we had 4 or 5 in the box as soon as he got the ball as they knew his aim was to cross it and not faff about cutting back this way and that like CT; proper wing play. But no doubt PD will come out with some rubbish along the lines of KBM is tired after his first 90mins and we need to look after him. Be a proper manager PD and drop CT. That's more than harsh, my assessment of CT is that of the general consensus that he hasn't been at his best this season but last season he was excellent at times, especially playing off the main striker. BUT he doesn't deserve his favoured place on the wing on current form and given that he is not a central-midfielder, unless you are going to drop Simpson to accommodate him off Kuqi then he surely should be on the bench at MK, with most favouring Mellor or Winchester. Edited February 16, 2012 by oafcprozac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Mellor for me but yes i agree 100% - Taylor has been :censored:e all season; yes he does always try but then that is to be expected of anyone in any role in life that they put the committment in. He needs to leave the club for all concerned IMO, has become way too casual and stagnant in his performances and there is no reasonable explanation as to why he has never (since he has been in the first team) ever been dropped aside from if he is injured or suspended. PD has joined the bandwaggon of his predecessors and has taken the view that he can't be seen to drop him because he is in oldham lad/fan and the fans wouldn't like it. Not even the staunchiest supporter of CT can say he has played well at any point this last 12-18 months (as to the levels he showed under shez when he was at his peak). KMB and FP DO NOT deserve to be dropped - FM scored and KMB was our best player for me, effort all night and an attacking threat in the first minute to highlight just how ineffective taylor is when on the wing - KMB one touch inside and a cross - notice how we had 4 or 5 in the box as soon as he got the ball as they knew his aim was to cross it and not faff about cutting back this way and that like CT; proper wing play. But no doubt PD will come out with some rubbish along the lines of KBM is tired after his first 90mins and we need to look after him. Be a proper manager PD and drop CT. Did Chris Taylor shag your wife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisbrogan Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 If we were to put one of Mellor or Winchester in there, I think it is most likely to be in addition of two others. A centre midfield pairing of Adeyemi and Mellor/ Winchester would be horribly inexperienced so if the midfield was to be stiffened up, Simpson or Taylor would need to be in there as well and as the latter has been there for a couple of games, it would most likely be him with Simpson dropping wider. Marsh-Brown could be benched having only just played his first match of the season but brought on to rip a new one in a tiring full-back. My credentials: I have had mixed results when playing Football Manager and generally get bored/ frustrated when playing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkenyonqfc2 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 adyemi to right back lee to midfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Did Chris Taylor shag your wife? Ohh Chrissy Taylor you are the love of my life ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pukka Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Taylor's overall fitness is a lot better than it was under Dave Penney (I'm not blaming penney for that, Chris himself needs to shoulder a lot of the blame) He isn't playing how he did in shez' first season, but he was in a better team. I think he gets some unfair stick, but isn't the player we hoped he'd become by any means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 adyemi to right back lee to midfield that still leaves Taylor in CM Lee to CM is a good shout though How about Winchester right back and Lee CM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Taylor's overall fitness is a lot better than it was under Dave Penney (I'm not blaming penney for that, Chris himself needs to shoulder a lot of the blame) He isn't playing how he did in shez' first season, but he was in a better team. I think he gets some unfair stick, but isn't the player we hoped he'd become by any means. Well put. Still a bloody good league one player though. If he was the player we hoped he'd become he'd be long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Ritchie Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Have we ever got 'dicked' when Taylor has been playing in CM? Come on statto's sort me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slystallone Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, seems I'm in the minority then, but i thought Taylor did well in the CM on Tuesday night. I actually think on that showing, his future lies in that position; over an out wide role. He hassled, closed down, put tackles in, and got on the ball & looked to drive forward + he was more involved and saw more of the ball than when out wide; where sometime he becomes isolated. He's coping a lot of flack which i think is unjust here - i have no issues with him in there again on Sat whilst Furman & Wes continue to be AWOL. I'd prefer him in there to a young Mellor / Winchester; who would be thrown in cold having not played for a good while now. But, it's a game of opinions isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parisian Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 You're wrong. I am far from Taylor's biggest fan, I've even struggled to cheer when he's scored at times. But on Tuesday he was brilliant. Just what we needed. Adeyemi cannot be trusted to play as a holding midfielder, and surely that is why Taylor, with all his experience was given the role to hold. He did the job well, breaking up play and also starting attacks, such as when he took it off Tarky's toes and played it out to whichever winger was on the right at the time. That's the first time I've seen him play there, and on that show I'd keep him there. Best performance by him in a very, very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceStationLatic Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Finally...totally agree with this! CT is really developing a good footballing brain and that was evident in CM. KMB had a great debut and was superb going forward - his pace was exactly what we needed to end the goalscoring problem - but tracking back he was a little lost. CT had to cover for him a lot, hence the out-of-position jibes, but he was vocal and a leader. He reads the game well and does the dogged defensive work. After seeing his performance, in a position he hasnt played for a while, I also thought he could grow in that position - but I agree with comments that he and Adeyemi were a bit dominated physically. Would be interesting to see him play alongside Wes or Furman. He created chance after chance at Chesterfield despite losing his rag a bit. He was very close to scoring in both legs. Yet there have still been calls to drop him. Homegrown players always get harsher criticism! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Didnt go on tue but not getting too excited about KMB until he has proven it over a few games. I remember getting excited over Parker but he's since dropped off (although I suspect his injury has played a big part) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razza699 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) . Edited February 17, 2012 by razza699 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opinions4u Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 Team for the home game. http://www.oldhamathletic.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10337~57611,00.html Adeyemi and Weso in the middle that night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_mighty_bosh Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I agree with OP. As I've said before we can get away with having Taylor in the middle against lowly opposition at home who don't score many or threaten much. It becomes an overloading of attacking flair players if you add Simpson dropping deep to Marsh Brown, Morais and Taylor which can be too much for some teams, but against MK those 4 and Adeyemi will get dominated. I hope Dickov is proactive and changes things for Saturday, rather than waiting for a defeat to see that it won't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP1960 Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 I can't see PD changing anything, Taylor will know what's expected of him at MK Dons and may surprise a lot of people. I thought his work rate was very good against Walsall, he has the pace to close down opponents - which is what's required away from home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Heck C-Beck Posted February 16, 2012 Share Posted February 16, 2012 While I dont think the CM was great against Walsall I think it would be unfair to throw in Winchester or Mellor vs a high flying team away. I would expect Simpson will drop a little deeper so we have 3 men in the middle to make it a bit more solid with us looking to counter from the wings. So the same line up but different formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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